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I disagree. I suggest that SEL- lujvo are always jvajvo, no cimjvo.
The same goes for -gau, -zu'e, -selja'e, some other rafsi.

2014-09-09 17:53 GMT+04:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>:

> Ilmen, On 09/09/2014 14:15:
>
>> I don't like very much the idea of using the sel- rafsi in a
>> non-compositional way, for making lujvo of the form {selbroda} whose
>> meaning cannot be derived from {se broda}. It seems there's a pretty
>> wide implicit agreement that the sel/ter/vel/xel rafsi should be
>> regular (semantically compositional).
>>
>
> That dislike and agreement strike me as not very rational. The principal
> grammatical function of lujvo relative to phrases is to signal
> noncompositionality -- a sense other than, and typically more specific
> than, the sense of the unlujvoized phrasal counterpart. A secondary
> function of lujvo is that sometimes they're shorter, but given that brevity
> is only a marginal consideration in Lojban design, the key grammatical
> characteristic of lujvohood is noncompositionality, with the rafsi having
> merely a kind of mnemonic function.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I disagree. I suggest that SEL- lujvo are always jvajvo, n=
o cimjvo.<div>The same goes for -gau, -zu&#39;e, -selja&#39;e, some other r=
afsi.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
2014-09-09 17:53 GMT+04:00 And Rosta <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:and.rosta@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">and.rosta@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>=
:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Ilmen, On 09/09/2014 14:15:<span class=
=3D""><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I don&#39;t like very much the idea of using the sel- rafsi in a<br>
non-compositional way, for making lujvo of the form {selbroda} whose<br>
meaning cannot be derived from {se broda}. It seems there&#39;s a pretty<br=
>
wide implicit agreement that the sel/ter/vel/xel rafsi should be<br>
regular (semantically compositional).<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
That dislike and agreement strike me as not very rational. The principal gr=
ammatical function of lujvo relative to phrases is to signal noncomposition=
ality -- a sense other than, and typically more specific than, the sense of=
 the unlujvoized phrasal counterpart. A secondary function of lujvo is that=
 sometimes they&#39;re shorter, but given that brevity is only a marginal c=
onsideration in Lojban design, the key grammatical characteristic of lujvoh=
ood is noncompositionality, with the rafsi having merely a kind of mnemonic=
 function.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
--And.</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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