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[151.225.232.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ua8sm16475275wjc.7.2014.09.09.16.04.07 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 09 Sep 2014 16:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <540F8769.8060508@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 00:04:09 +0100 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120711 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bpfk] {gunma}, {selcmi} and gadri definitions References: <540EFD66.2080509@gmail.com> <540F0670.5060804@gmail.com> <20140909214615.GF5598@mercury.ccil.org> In-Reply-To: <20140909214615.GF5598@mercury.ccil.org> X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 1645 John Cowan, On 09/09/2014 22:46: > And Rosta scripsit: > >> That dislike and agreement strike me as not very rational. The >> principal grammatical function of lujvo relative to phrases is to >> signal noncompositionality -- a sense other than, and typically more >> specific than, the sense of the unlujvoized phrasal counterpart. > > I'd say that's no longer really true. Lujvo provide brevity (sometimes) > and satisfy the desire to have separate words for things. They also > allow cmavo, particularly grouping cmavo, to be omitted: broda ke brode > brodi can be reduced to brodybrode brodi. > >> with the rafsi having merely a kind of mnemonic function. > > That's much too strong a claim for modern Lojban usage. They may not > be fully compositional, but they are not merely hints. I defer to you on this, since I am no longer capable of getting a reliable = sense of modern Lojban usage. Presumably, fully-compositional lujvo would not appear in the dictionary, w= hile less-than-fully-composition lujvo would. If some lujvo are predictably= fully-compositional, presumably this -- the relevant morphological rules a= nd rafsi -- will have to be added to the documentation for the next version= of Lojban? --And. =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.