Received: from mail-qg0-f61.google.com ([209.85.192.61]:43281) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XgjEq-0007uq-Dq; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 16:53:21 -0700 Received: by mail-qg0-f61.google.com with SMTP id z60sf357428qgd.6 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 16:53:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :user-agent:sender:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=YGswWB5h8vUnNjm+QjohxSQJ7GQo3zy2lpISWqwNj3M=; b=DchdkuB8eUZuIz3KgYZDoIEMjhK5Vf9+EAv6llHJAjL8P6ZYLNQnASMd4fdjZLLJv1 GsxfHtt7azpL84WkaAcMUNCOqeaTqtZx7WcM9R4axNDyUtRBnfpSDOQ7xwWt/Cg8cWkl IeAYVdiDJ4XU2rtqDfqXS4jgE/5h973gnpJJRBQl+Wo8F+h3Qlv0JvKLPFpI2qZC9ToC Qw7/pt9UDvgkH3zBzPoyJEQFpug4q1BH3zqnGjupmqHSjPRc2vqTlFPeXhlwVGNCzAEh A7O5PzSZgmLrp295HG3WFSwJm+g9ejkE3yqE8joKxbJuU6ViDyNG9x8uTUF4WPOk/T/R GwHA== X-Received: by 10.50.20.198 with SMTP id p6mr358358ige.10.1413935589164; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 16:53:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.4.8 with SMTP id g8ls1196165igg.42.canary; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 16:53:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.156.138 with SMTP id we10mr24544724pab.40.1413935588990; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 16:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.ccil.org (earth.ccil.org. [192.190.237.11]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hz7si36981igb.2.2014.10.21.16.53.08 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 21 Oct 2014 16:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of cowan@ccil.org designates 192.190.237.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=192.190.237.11; Received: from cowan by earth.ccil.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1XgjEh-0004TU-IH for bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:53:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:53:07 -0400 From: John Cowan To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bpfk] official cmavo form Message-ID: <20141021235307.GB18963@mercury.ccil.org> References: <5444FEBF.10200@gmx.de> <544507CD.9050608@gmail.com> <54462205.3070605@gmail.com> <20141021181158.GQ14499@mercury.ccil.org> <5446E01C.6030308@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5446E01C.6030308@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: cowan@ccil.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of cowan@ccil.org designates 192.190.237.11 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=cowan@ccil.org Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 1313 And Rosta scripsit: > Is /stabaa/ an alternative notation or analysis for /staba'a/? Yes. That's what I thought you were going after. > I think [hw] is virtually inarticulable. I don't know if anybody knows > the frequency of [W] or any other phone in the world's languages. The > fact that it's rare as the primary allophone of a phoneme doesn't > mean it's rare as a phone. Fair enough. Wikipedia reports it as phonemic in Cornish and Hupa, and allophonic in Nahuatl (before voiceless consonants) and Taiwanese (as an articulation of /hw/), aside from its special status in English. > How about /ixi/ and /uxu/? Unless I am very careful, I always articulate [x] as [X] in any language. I have no trouble with either [iXi] or [uXu]. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Where the wombat has walked, it will inevitably walk again. (even through brick walls!) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.