Received: from mail-vc0-f183.google.com ([209.85.220.183]:64246) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XhNtN-00045P-23; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:17:54 -0700 Received: by mail-vc0-f183.google.com with SMTP id la4sf309867vcb.0 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:17:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=+1gPaYS1rnrfOQI/ul7lx05SeHaVyjzHaKs3sHKW3tk=; b=BqW9dtWgIwexLuw7a7wreeepDoo5uLv5npd6v2cHg2Hng4wSn/60JCsN2kHhWF+4Lb 3jOD7XKbt91BboOgmcMeAp9iwuuxLnX798BmGqc4FNpHCGiDiWd73L2TYpgwwXBA2Nv/ 0J/wZNYiLbBIjC46aHIep7Ye2EHH1/Yp2cKl4a96B7nNeSVuBXiFT6+SrALRTL5M7MKE 8dPX0fl7rerRc735fSoA+qlzMiuDofIL3r/S8i1BaQYLXVbhlrX39Rsxm76NnjG5JVN5 aDL7ZxRtU2ULR+VMxEmRQz3wt7XH1VZ8w89aK1uvrIpi+vZNe7lPK7ywLl3vFgbL0sIs ZC7w== X-Received: by 10.50.128.233 with SMTP id nr9mr524627igb.12.1414091862323; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:17:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.137.65 with SMTP id qg1ls1734771igb.44.canary; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:17:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.222.135 with SMTP id qm7mr4672297pac.20.1414091862025; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yh0-x22c.google.com (mail-yh0-x22c.google.com. [2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s23si144371yhf.0.2014.10.23.12.17.41 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22c as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22c; Received: by mail-yh0-f44.google.com with SMTP id i57so85670yha.17 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:17:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.170.205.129 with SMTP id w123mr821620yke.0.1414091861703; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.42.72 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.42.72 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:17:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <54490F94.60609@lojban.org> References: <5444FEBF.10200@gmx.de> <544507CD.9050608@gmail.com> <20141021000349.GM14499@mercury.ccil.org> <54461EDB.70808@gmail.com> <54490F94.60609@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 13:17:41 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] official cmavo form From: Jonathan Jones To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1139380818ea2b05061beb1d X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 3354 --001a1139380818ea2b05061beb1d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Oct 23, 2014 8:24 AM, "Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG" < lojbab@lojban.org> wrote: > > I haven't been following this discussion, and I'm not sure what is written in CLL about it, but I think what we said originally was that the apostrophe could permissibly be realized as ANY unvoiced consonant sound not otherwise found in Lojban (but hopefully being fairly consistent at using the same sound all the time). One of our original Lojban students liked to tease everyone by using unvoiced "th" as his realization of all apostrophes. It sounded funny and probably caused everyone else to try harder to use 'h'. > > lojbab I'm fairly certain I remember reading the bit about " ' " as well. IIRC, it was either in the bit about "strange" pronunciations (c ,j ,x, etc.), or the bit about being allowed to for example pronounce {mlatu} as "milatu" using the "I" in "fit". -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a1139380818ea2b05061beb1d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Oct 23, 2014 8:24 AM, "Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG= " <lojbab@lojban.org> w= rote:
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> I haven't been following this discussion, and I'm not sure wha= t is written in CLL about it, but I think what we said originally was that = the apostrophe could permissibly be realized as ANY unvoiced consonant soun= d not otherwise found in Lojban (but hopefully being fairly consistent at u= sing the same sound all the time).=A0 One of our original Lojban students l= iked to tease everyone by using unvoiced "th" as his realization = of all apostrophes.=A0 It sounded funny and probably caused everyone else t= o try harder to use 'h'.
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> lojbab

I'm fairly certain I remember reading the bit about &quo= t; ' " as well. IIRC, it was either in the bit about "strange= " pronunciations (c ,j ,x, etc.), or the bit about being allowed to fo= r example pronounce {mlatu} as "milatu" using the "I" i= n "fit".

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