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 Content preview:  Heh, I _thought_ *{bongnanba} seemed inordinately hard to
   pronounce. I applied this change and ran mukti's list through. The remaining
    non-parsing words are: klivlynd smanyjinkytoldu'evir artmozaiko finprsinxnatfidai
    finprsinxnatfinai klaktno mastla mustlei postmo rartni runtngasnrproni sparknipofia
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Heh, I _thought_ *{bongnanba} seemed inordinately hard to pronounce. I appl=
ied this change and ran mukti's list through. The remaining non-parsing wor=
ds are:

klivlynd
smanyjinkytoldu'evir

artmozaiko
finprsinxnatfidai
finprsinxnatfinai
klaktno
mastla
mustlei
postmo
rartni
runtngasnrproni
sparknipofia
venzla
xipfne

bangrtlingana
banrtlingana
banrtlinganu
bongnanba
gudjrati
ingmeme


So just two that you weren't expecting, nice! I didn't check any words not =
in mukti's list, though.

As for fixing, I'd expect that many of these words weren't expecting a cons=
onantal syllable (*{klivlynd}, *{postmo}, *{artmozaiko}), so the fix might =
be to add a syllable: {artamozaiko} or {artnmozaiko}. I can't see how to ma=
ke "Cleveland" without adding a pause to get two cmevla {.kliv.lynd.}.

mu'o mi'e la durkavore =20


On Friday, October 24, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote:

> =20
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 7:39 AM, mukti <shunpiker@gmail.com (mailto:shunp=
iker@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 23, 2014 6:01:20 PM UTC-3, xorxes wrote:
> > > That'a bug in the morphology, well found! I've changed the consonanta=
l-syllable rule to:
> > >   consonantal-syllable <- consonant syllabic !nucleus (consonant &spa=
ces)?
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > =20
> > =20
> > Using this rule change, I reverified the current contents of jbovlaste =
and the camxes test corpus. The following words in jbovlaste are no longer =
considered morphologically valid according to this rule:
> =20
> OK, I think I may have figured it out. The correct change was to:
> =20
>    consonantal-syllable <- consonant syllabic &(consonantal-syllable / !n=
ucleus onset) (consonant &spaces)?
> =20
> The only words that should remain in your list would be these, because th=
ey don't consist of valid syllables:
> =20
> > artmozaiko
> > klaktno
> > mastla
> > mustlei
> > postmo
> > rartni
> > venzla
> > xipfne
>  =20
> > bangrtlingana
> > banrtlingana
> > banrtlinganu =20
> > =20
> > bongnanba =20
> > =20
> > gudjrati
> > ingmeme
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> Hopefully I got it right this time. Could you check again? Thanks!
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                <div>Heh, I _thought_ *{bongnanba} seemed inordinately hard=
 to pronounce. I applied this change and ran mukti's list through. The rema=
ining non-parsing words are:</div><div><br></div><div><div>klivlynd</div><d=
iv>smanyjinkytoldu'evir</div><div><br></div><div>artmozaiko</div><div>finpr=
sinxnatfidai</div><div>finprsinxnatfinai</div><div>klaktno</div><div>mastla=
</div><div>mustlei</div><div>postmo</div><div>rartni</div><div>runtngasnrpr=
oni</div><div>sparknipofia</div><div>venzla</div><div>xipfne</div><div><br>=
</div><div>bangrtlingana</div><div>banrtlingana</div><div>banrtlinganu</div=
><div>bongnanba</div><div>gudjrati</div><div>ingmeme</div></div><div><br></=
div><div>So just two that you weren't expecting, nice! I didn't check any w=
ords not in mukti's list, though.</div><div><br></div><div>As for fixing, I=
'd expect that many of these words weren't expecting a consonantal syllable=
 (*{klivlynd}, *{postmo}, *{artmozaiko}), so the fix might be to add a syll=
able: {artamozaiko} or {artnmozaiko}. I can't see how to make "Cleveland" w=
ithout adding a pause to get two cmevla {.kliv.lynd.}.</div><div><br></div>=
<div>mu'o mi'e la durkavore</div>
                <div></div>
                =20
                <p style=3D"color: #A0A0A8;">On Friday, October 24, 2014 at=
 5:44 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote:</p>
                <blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"border-left-style:solid;=
border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;">
                    <span><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div><div>On Fri, =
Oct 24, 2014 at 7:39 AM, mukti <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shun=
piker@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">shunpiker@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><span>On Thursday, October 23, 2014 6:0=
1:20 PM UTC-3, xorxes wrote:<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:s=
olid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>That'a bug in the mo=
rphology, well found! I've changed the consonantal-syllable rule to:</div><=
div>&nbsp; consonantal-syllable &lt;- consonant syllabic !nucleus (consonan=
t &amp;spaces)?</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><=
div>Using this rule change, I reverified the current contents of jbovlaste =
and the camxes test corpus. The following words in jbovlaste are no longer =
considered morphologically valid according to this rule:</div></div></block=
quote><div><br></div><div>OK, I think I may have figured it out. The correc=
t change was to:</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp;consonantal-syllable=
 &lt;- consonant syllabic &amp;(consonantal-syllable / !nucleus onset) (con=
sonant &amp;spaces)?</div><div><br></div><div>The only words that should re=
main in your list would be these, because they don't consist of valid sylla=
bles:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div>artmozaiko<br=
></div><div>klaktno<br></div><div>mastla<br></div><div>mustlei<br></div><di=
v>postmo<br></div><div>rartni<br></div><div>venzla<br></div><div>xipfne</di=
v></div></blockquote><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div>b=
angrtlingana</div><div>banrtlingana</div><div>banrtlinganu&nbsp;</div></div=
><div><div>bongnanba&nbsp;</div></div><div><div>gudjrati<br></div><div>ingm=
eme</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hopefully I got it right th=
is time. Could you check again? Thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>mu'o mi'e =
xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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