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2014-10-20 18:13 GMT+04:00 John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org>:

> And Rosta scripsit:
>
> > Why must Lojban have onsets and syllabification? /Cia/ is problematic
> > only if /Ci-/ must constitute an onset.
>
> It's settled that "ia" is /ja/.
>
> > >I see no problems with {ie'o} as a cmavo form.
>
> I agree.
>
> > How about {a'ua}?
>
> By avoiding things like this, we keep Lojban /h/ safely ambisyllabic.
> Allowing /ahwa/ means we have to choose between coda /h/ (hard for
> anglophones and many others) and onset /hw/ (hard for most anglophones,
> who no longer have a /w/ ~ /W/ distinction).
>
> We have no shortage of possible cmavo.  Let's not go toward hC or Ch
> clusters (where C = any consonant including /j/ and /w/).
>

wut? no way, {'} is a vowel separator.
If you want new phonemes so much add click sounds, add [D] and [G].


> > I think Lojban already has way more phonotactic constraints than is
> > necessary...
>
> I wish we had more, but our lujvo-making machinery prevents some that
> would be really useful, like not allowing both "denbro" and "dembro".
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2014-10-20 18:13 GMT+04:00 John Cowan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:cowan@mercury.ccil.org" target=3D"_blank">cowan@mercury.ccil.org</a>=
&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">And Rosta scripsit:<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; Why must Lojban have onsets and syllabification? /Cia/ is problematic<=
br>
&gt; only if /Ci-/ must constitute an onset.<br>
<br>
</span>It&#39;s settled that &quot;ia&quot; is /ja/.<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; &gt;I see no problems with {ie&#39;o} as a cmavo form.<br>
<br>
</span>I agree.<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; How about {a&#39;ua}?<br>
<br>
</span>By avoiding things like this, we keep Lojban /h/ safely ambisyllabic=
.<br>
Allowing /ahwa/ means we have to choose between coda /h/ (hard for<br>
anglophones and many others) and onset /hw/ (hard for most anglophones,<br>
who no longer have a /w/ ~ /W/ distinction).<br>
<br>
We have no shortage of possible cmavo.=C2=A0 Let&#39;s not go toward hC or =
Ch<br>
clusters (where C =3D any consonant including /j/ and /w/).<br></blockquote=
><div><br></div><div>wut? no way, {&#39;} is a vowel separator.</div><div>I=
f you want new phonemes so much add click sounds, add [D] and [G].</div><di=
v><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; I think Lojban already has way more phonotactic constraints than is<br=
>
&gt; necessary...<br>
<br>
</span>I wish we had more, but our lujvo-making machinery prevents some tha=
t<br>
would be really useful, like not allowing both &quot;denbro&quot; and &quot=
;dembro&quot;.<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
--<br>
John Cowan=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://www.ccil.org=
/~cowan" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ccil.org/~cowan</a>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:cowan@ccil.org">cowan@ccil.org</a><br>
</span>What asininity could I have uttered that they applaud me thus?<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --Phocion, Greek orator<br>
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