Received: from mail-lb0-f185.google.com ([209.85.217.185]:37347) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XgLNk-0004is-0f; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:24:58 -0700 Received: by mail-lb0-f185.google.com with SMTP id u10sf481817lbd.22 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:24:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=WAbtOkySz4+UAGuNFoGdyDSPDg193D3K9xP6oDcJz80=; b=IRp6jj2z3FPOsXZFhlg1HuybdKmWNaTVK7sOACy/MMAu9nOussb7vmCW8kS0MZ5PrR GfdRvcIbWTMPnu4ium9PBCX6046rHdrHR2CrEwOh274xj4STzTRpfvm2lJeuzX5bqbyP +9PbhySl+RbAf70638oR6pD5lPOYGuzYiZ8YsnlduCkqdUIQYhD+5ou/X78TKOOhaAeU xj6V2Z2wYFYgE8kToYdAy5HzABwkLn/TCkTNxAIXCQte3NqAzYEnZZCQvIlIy6uzJwa5 wFWlXE4BzjV0VyIBcwbxEkCf6n75wnKbltbk3DGfT0FmYSQOlJftMfzegs2BsFgPyEKr VY9g== X-Received: by 10.180.73.77 with SMTP id j13mr80248wiv.15.1413843883666; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:24:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.77.168 with SMTP id t8ls4547wiw.35.canary; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:24:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.98.165 with SMTP id ej5mr3654228wib.1.1413843883428; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x22b.google.com (mail-wg0-x22b.google.com. [2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p7si513894wiz.1.2014.10.20.15.24.43 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b; Received: by mail-wg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id m15so6428283wgh.26 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:24:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.249.225 with SMTP id yx1mr37675450wjc.79.1413843883328; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.217.105.201 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:24:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20141020065022.GA16880@mercury.ccil.org> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 19:24:43 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] official cmavo form From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c27a746f09390505e22e3e X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 3978 --001a11c27a746f09390505e22e3e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 4:05 AM, guskant wrote: > > Whether cmavo with "consonant glide" is allowed or not is very important > for defining Lojban phonology. I, who have been believed that "consonant > glide" is basically a kind of non-lojban sound, I have not been much > careful in listening and speaking "je". If "jie" is allowed as cmavo, I > should change my attitude, and be careful whether the pronunciation is "je" > or "jie". Please, BPFK-members, make clear the decision on this matter. > The question shouldn't be about cmavo. If CiV/CuV are disallowed it should be for all words, since distinguishing prije from prijie is as hard or as easy as distinguishing je from jie. I currently find only three experimental cmavo in jbovlaste containing CiV/CuV, but there are lots of fu'ivla, so the proposal to disallow them should contemplate what is to be done with all those fu'ivla (change them to something else? leave them in as archaic words?) It would also be useful to know of how many words we are talking about. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a11c27a746f09390505e22e3e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 4:05 AM, guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com> wrote:

Whether cmavo with "consonant glide" is allowed or not is v= ery important for defining Lojban phonology. I, who have been believed that= "consonant glide" is basically a kind of non-lojban sound, I hav= e not been much careful in listening and speaking "je". If "= jie" is allowed as cmavo, I should change my attitude, and be careful = whether the pronunciation is "je" or "jie". Please, BPF= K-members, make clear the decision on this matter.



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