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Jorge Llamb=EDas, On 21/10/2014 00:56:
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 8:32 PM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com <mailto:a=
nd.rosta@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     On 20 Oct 2014 22:43, "Jorge Llamb=EDas" <jjllambias@gmail.com <mailt=
o:jjllambias@gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     > There's no special need to realize /Cia/ as one syllable, but it mu=
st be counted as one syllable for penultimate stress rule purposes.
>
>     How come? Is it simply that because word-segmentation is sensitive to=
 stress, and stress is sensitive to syllabicity, varisyllabicity risks unde=
rmining the consistency of the word-segmentation rules? If so, the stress o=
r word-segmentation rules can be reformulated so that VV counts as a single=
 metrical unit rather than a sequence of two.
>
> Yes.
>
>     > Formulating the rule without mentioning syllables would be more com=
plicated.
>
>     It's not yet clear to me that that is so, but that could be because I=
 don't know the rule.
>
>
> Maybe not terribly more complicated, but at least somewhat more complicat=
ed. y-syllables are already exceptions to penultimate stress, as are conson=
antal syllables and buffer-vowel syllables, so this would be just one more =
exception.

It sounds like there are all these exceptions because the rule is wrongly f=
ormulated. If syllables are discarded and the metrical units are instead AE=
IOU clusters, might the rule become exceptionless?

>
>     > It also has to be distinguished from "ciia"
>
>     How come? Is "ciia" licit? Is it licit even if "cia" isn't?
>
> Yes, there's no constraint against vowel i being followed by glide i.

I would forbid /ii, uu/, but if you were set on allowing them, then things =
could be kept in order by a rule that requires every phonological string to=
 be parsable as a CV sequence, which would rule out /cia/.

>     I would allow "a'ua" (assuming I was not allowed to kill /'/), disall=
ow "uu", and have all words begin with a consonant, but if "a'uua" must be =
a variant of "a'u.ua <http://u.ua>" then I see why "a'ua" must be forbidden=
.
>
> Yes, it should be one or the other, but not both.

And then <a'ua> could be an orthographic variant of <a'uua>, <cia> of <ciia=
>.

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