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On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> There are also some constraints on which syllables can be adjacent: the
> final consonant of a syllable and the first consonant of the next syllabl=
e
> can't be the same, they can't have different voicedness, they can't both =
be
> sibilants, if one is x the other can't be c or k, if the first is m the
> other can't be z. Also, a syllable that ends with n can't be followed by
> one that starts with an affricate (tc, ts, dj, dz). Some of these
> constraints sound completely arbitrary, and they are. In addition, some
> combinations are disallowed only because they give the same result as som=
e
> other combination, e.g. tav+la =3D ta+vla. It doesn't make any difference=
 if
> we say tav+la is disallowed, or if we say it's equivalent to ta+vla.
>

I forgot to list one more constraint: a syllable that ends with a diphthong
cannot be followed by one that begins with a glide. This constraint has
been contested. A possible revision would be to disallow only the glide
with the corresponding semivowel, so "tai-ian" would still be disallowed
but "tai-uan" would be ok.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <span dir=3D"ltr">=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br></div>=
<div>There are also some constraints on which syllables can be adjacent: th=
e final consonant of a syllable and the first consonant of the next syllabl=
e can&#39;t be the same, they can&#39;t have different voicedness, they can=
&#39;t both be sibilants, if one is x the other can&#39;t be c or k, if the=
 first is m the other can&#39;t be z. Also, a syllable that ends with n can=
&#39;t be followed by one that starts with an affricate (tc, ts, dj, dz). S=
ome of these constraints sound completely arbitrary, and they are. In addit=
ion, some combinations are disallowed only because they give the same resul=
t as some other combination, e.g. tav+la =3D ta+vla. It doesn&#39;t make an=
y difference if we say tav+la is disallowed, or if we say it&#39;s equivale=
nt to ta+vla.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I for=
got to list one more constraint: a syllable that ends with a diphthong cann=
ot be followed by one that begins with a glide. This constraint has been co=
ntested. A possible revision would be to disallow only the glide with the c=
orresponding semivowel, so &quot;tai-ian&quot; would still be disallowed bu=
t &quot;tai-uan&quot; would be ok.</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39=
;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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