Received: from mail-lb0-f191.google.com ([209.85.217.191]:46609) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XiR5u-0003ah-7f; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 09:55:13 -0700 Received: by mail-lb0-f191.google.com with SMTP id n15sf117449lbi.18 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 09:54:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=bJ6Yi3wpZP+C3YqoFrjJrH1RAT51h9KFU+0cyI5w3Ak=; b=Jy4Vr+lOGKN0ylPXPlVCCxW4UYZug1xhuuxyENbPl0DMYWROXEx3SdCKLkCU3/1RXX zjHVofk9E2N0zxxxZcR5kr7BdP7lYGiiajMbcQPRwIaP9/0m4LtpkGyusYS6pZJnYfsN YjUzfxNsJE+ykX8W2+DoyUHQGpsYBGyu2kkmQB3yMR0x6gCsBB1YqNCBFcH3GpQqEddj VVuVT8ADxltqXMInQshIZhI4pc7mcSCBpUGdn3GhrdgkSLNSSmR1om9SfQb/WhjPLqOL cl7dYQCggVgA8UNTZBavwCIN7gpcowX2bdKgJZQGGKbIFuIKs4T3ClCV+oGeNOwWGVj1 RAcA== X-Received: by 10.180.103.105 with SMTP id fv9mr49234wib.14.1414342498371; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 09:54:58 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.181.27.137 with SMTP id jg9ls321605wid.54.gmail; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 09:54:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.74.130 with SMTP id t2mr3004811wiv.4.1414342498116; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 09:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x231.google.com (mail-wi0-x231.google.com. [2a00:1450:400c:c05::231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gk3si375861wib.1.2014.10.26.09.54.58 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 26 Oct 2014 09:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::231 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::231; Received: by mail-wi0-f177.google.com with SMTP id ex7so4628179wid.10 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 09:54:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.79.169 with SMTP id k9mr1207955wix.34.1414342498025; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 09:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.217.105.201 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 09:54:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <33A9DB5129C54FFF85FCDD708B6909D8@gmail.com> <9c2066d4-8da6-48ec-9cfb-63f79ca42187@googlegroups.com> <20141025153624.GA1727@mercury.ccil.org> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:54:57 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] camxes and syllabification in zi'evla From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04428d1e2f85f20506564611 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 4197 --f46d04428d1e2f85f20506564611 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > 2014-10-25 19:48 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : > >> >> On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Gleki Arxokuna < >> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> However, in general I don't see any problems with pronouncing {mastla}. >>> >>> Why {mastra} is a fine brivla but {mastla} should not be (morphological >>> classes apart)? >>> >> >> Because "tr" is a valid initial, while "tl" isn't. I wouldn't have a >> problem with making "tl" a valid initial, whereas I'm not happy with mak= ing >> "st" a valid coda. >> > > Why? What's wrong with it? > It's too heavy. Core lojban words (cmavo/gismu/lujvo) don't have double-consonant codas. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --f46d04428d1e2f85f20506564611 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <<= a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.= name@gmail.com> wrote:

2014-10-25 19:48 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjll= ambias@gmail.com>:

On= Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@= gmail.com> wrote:

How= ever, in general I don't see any problems with pronouncing {mastla}.

Why {mastra} is a fine brivla but {mastla} should no= t be (morphological classes apart)?

Because "tr" is a valid initial, while &q= uot;tl" isn't. I wouldn't have a problem with making "tl&= quot; a valid initial, whereas I'm not happy with making "st"= a valid coda.

Why? What's wrong with it?
=

It's too heavy. Core lojban words (cmavo/gismu/lujv= o) don't have double-consonant codas.

mu'o= mi'e xorxes=C2=A0

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