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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::233]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h1si458556wib.0.2014.10.26.11.30.53 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::233 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::233; Received: by mail-wi0-x233.google.com with SMTP id h11so2682913wiw.12 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:30:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.92.244 with SMTP id cp20mr3275490wjb.79.1414348252943; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.103.65 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:30:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <33A9DB5129C54FFF85FCDD708B6909D8@gmail.com> <9c2066d4-8da6-48ec-9cfb-63f79ca42187@googlegroups.com> <20141025153624.GA1727@mercury.ccil.org> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 21:30:52 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] camxes and syllabification in zi'evla From: Gleki Arxokuna To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::233 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7beb986c349b150506579dea X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 6612 --047d7beb986c349b150506579dea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2014-10-26 19:54 GMT+03:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : > > > On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> 2014-10-25 19:48 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : >> >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Gleki Arxokuna < >>> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> However, in general I don't see any problems with pronouncing {mastla}= . >>>> >>>> Why {mastra} is a fine brivla but {mastla} should not be (morphologica= l >>>> classes apart)? >>>> >>> >>> Because "tr" is a valid initial, while "tl" isn't. I wouldn't have a >>> problem with making "tl" a valid initial, whereas I'm not happy with ma= king >>> "st" a valid coda. >>> >> >> Why? What's wrong with it? >> > > It's too heavy. Core lojban words (cmavo/gismu/lujvo) don't have > double-consonant codas. > Okay then. But then consonantal syllables are equally bad. Either it's Japanese CVCV intensive style or Serbian CCCC style but not somewhat Serbian, somewhat Japanese in different places. > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BPFK" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. 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2014-10-26 19:54 GMT+03:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.co= m>:


On= Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@g= mail.com> wrote:

2014-10-25 19:48 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com<= /a>>:

On Sat, Oct 25, 201= 4 at 12:41 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>= wrote:

However, in general I= don't see any problems with pronouncing {mastla}.

=
Why {mastra} is a fine brivla but {mastla} should not be (morphologica= l classes apart)?

Because "tr" is a valid initial, while "tl" isn&#= 39;t. I wouldn't have a problem with making "tl" a valid init= ial, whereas I'm not happy with making "st" a valid coda.

Why? What&= #39;s wrong with it?

It's too heavy. Core lojban words (cmavo/gismu/lujvo) don'= t have double-consonant codas.
Okay then. But then consonantal syllables are equally bad. Eith= er it's Japanese CVCV intensive style or Serbian CCCC style but not som= ewhat Serbian, somewhat Japanese in different places.

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mu'o mi&= #39;e xorxes=C2=A0

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