Received: from mail-lb0-f183.google.com ([209.85.217.183]:47022)
	by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128)
	(Exim 4.80.1)
	(envelope-from <bpfk-list+bncBDNZFNNFVAHRBG5SWWRAKGQEUBHU7GI@googlegroups.com>)
	id 1XiUPD-0005Fl-2x; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:27:20 -0700
Received: by mail-lb0-f183.google.com with SMTP id 10sf516993lbg.0
        for <multiple recipients>; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:27:07 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
        d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806;
        h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references
         :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results
         :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help
         :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type
         :content-transfer-encoding;
        bh=8k9WFBj8uil4QT/kRQGcQBGShSBMmI/iMO8Fld0U02k=;
        b=W/sr/ALIxEmuv6GkvwspSoeLCH/I4+VqadOxXmtinqjoYfr/1nzJbthW1QsfPPI22f
         x6Zbyo1G9BxrikhtedutyPER+2QU+aH5MSN7mJqSg+dNK7xuXkZ92NgSw81I9284t3PO
         TyrvHAhbM/L+9natfrJMf0VKtjV1gxpdouOoCSndEKmeituP7VPNA5A7TeW2EtzZ/kaj
         +VGAtED0ncmu1aKzYga5tEzQ4x7PWBygaBzVzoDWuVZ/+Hi9jnamo4o59OO/h5GzjH4n
         UZCzqSsRS/csS6EQ6QfuO8aKEAIv1aqmXgljICtnNt88vtVv1YyOfhAKtZ7cASwMWaRT
         G50w==
X-Received: by 10.180.100.106 with SMTP id ex10mr52827wib.0.1414355227244;
        Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:27:07 -0700 (PDT)
X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com
Received: by 10.180.14.106 with SMTP id o10ls388096wic.13.gmail; Sun, 26 Oct
 2014 13:27:07 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 10.180.36.176 with SMTP id r16mr3120698wij.7.1414355226907;
        Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:27:06 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-wi0-x234.google.com (mail-wi0-x234.google.com. [2a00:1450:400c:c05::234])
        by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l9si16782wix.1.2014.10.26.13.27.06
        for <bpfk-list@googlegroups.com>
        (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128);
        Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:27:06 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::234;
Received: by mail-wi0-f180.google.com with SMTP id hi2so1243686wib.13
        for <bpfk-list@googlegroups.com>; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:27:06 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 10.194.57.169 with SMTP id j9mr17527278wjq.33.1414355226841;
        Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:27:06 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [192.168.0.4] (97e2292d.skybroadband.com. [151.226.41.45])
        by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id u2sm13192845wjz.11.2014.10.26.13.27.04
        for <multiple recipients>
        (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128);
        Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:27:05 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <544D5919.8030704@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 20:27:05 +0000
From: And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120711 Thunderbird/14.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [bpfk] camxes and syllabification in zi'evla
References: <20141025153624.GA1727@mercury.ccil.org> <CAO7tK2c3huhqOQa25rKojYUszJGre5DCrmHwCABkC0sH_cH8NQ@mail.gmail.com> <544BF508.3060500@gmail.com> <24AD03E6AEA1476F9B53E0EE111750E9@gmail.com> <544BF94F.3040204@gmail.com> <CAO7tK2d+_h498M+7jnuhTutY0-h6U3ZUj++2D0YM8ooMk72ZDg@mail.gmail.com> <CAO7tK2d1HEaJNgGPnFmC-0t_epj9G7xwBizqZ-yJ8Q-JhnfBaA@mail.gmail.com> <544CB576.2070503@gmail.com> <CAO7tK2f5j3=of=2cei-yR780Y6peBr=VxDQr5ySw6HW6KU9zzA@mail.gmail.com> <544CF7D1.9050300@gmail.com> <20141026174903.GC9104@mercury.ccil.org>
In-Reply-To: <20141026174903.GC9104@mercury.ccil.org>
X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com
X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com;       spf=pass
 (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::234
 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com;       dkim=pass
 header.i=@gmail.com;       dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com
Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com
Precedence: list
Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com
List-ID: <bpfk-list.googlegroups.com>
X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765
List-Post: <http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list/post>, <mailto:bpfk-list@googlegroups.com>
List-Help: <http://groups.google.com/support/>, <mailto:bpfk-list+help@googlegroups.com>
List-Archive: <http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list
Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com
List-Subscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list/subscribe>, <mailto:bpfk-list+subscribe@googlegroups.com>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:googlegroups-manage+972099695765+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>,
 <http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list/subscribe>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-)
X-Spam_score: -1.9
X-Spam_score_int: -18
X-Spam_bar: -
Content-Length: 1067

John Cowan, On 26/10/2014 17:49:
> I also believe that the attempt to prescribe allophony, even unconditione=
d
> allophony, was also a mistake.

In practice, yes, tho not necessarily in principle.

> We should have said "Six vowels, 17 consonants, these are the
> normative forms, how you talk is up to you as long as your
> interlocutors understand you."

Really six vowels rather than seven? What about the buffer vowel. The failu=
re to assign a normative form to it was a mistake, I think. (FWIW I'd have =
given /y/ the normative value [y] and /%/ the normative value [@], swapping=
 the values when the phonemes are adjacent to /i, u/.)

--And.
 =20

--=20
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "=
BPFK" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e=
mail to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.