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Subject: Re: [bpfk] extended rafsi and a tosmabru/slinku'i boondoggle
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I'll put these in. Did you intentionally remove the !y guard from y_less_ra=
fsi? Before, I have =20

y-less-rafsi <- !y-rafsi ( CVC-rafsi !y / CCV-rafsi / CVV-rafsi ) !any-exte=
nded-rafsi

mu'o mi'e la durkavore =20


On Saturday, November 15, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote:

> =20
> =20
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.co=
m (mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail=
.com (mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > =20
> > > hy-rafsi =3D (long-rafsi vowel / CCV-rafsi / CVV-rafsi) h y h?
> > > =20
> > > stressed-hy-rafsi =3D (long-rafsi stressed-vowel / stressed-CCV-rafsi=
 / stressed-CVV-rafsi) h y h? =20
> > > =20
> > > y-less-rafsi <- !y-rafsi !stressed-y-rafsi !hy-rafsi !stressed-hy-raf=
si (CVC-rafsi / CCV-rafsi / CVV-rafsi) !h !any-extended-rafsi =20
> > > =20
> > > rafsi-string <- y-less-rafsi* (gismu / CVV-final-rafsi / stressed-y-l=
ess-rafsi short-final-rafsi / y-rafsi / stressed-y-rafsi / stressed-y-less-=
rafsi? initial-pair y / hy-rafsi / stressed-hy-rafsi) =20
> > > =20
> > > I found this nice page where I can check a PEG myself without having =
to write a parser: http://pegjs.majda.cz/online and these changes do seem t=
o finally fix the problem.
> > =20
> > But not quite. The sporte'y cases are fixed, but "slinku'i'yske" slips =
by for some reason. "slinku'i'ysaske", "slinkau'yske", "sku'iske" are all s=
uccessfully blocked, so the problem seems to be with some slinku'i that end=
 in CV'V with final stress. I'll have to keep investigating.
> =20
> OK, I think I found the glitch. Some further changes:
> =20
> slinkuhi <- !rafsi-string consonant rafsi-string =20
> =20
> initial-rafsi <- extended-rafsi / y-rafsi / !any-extended-rafsi y-less-ra=
fsi !any-extended-rafsi
> =20
> y-less-rafsi <- !y-rafsi !stressed-y-rafsi !hy-rafsi !stressed-hy-rafsi (=
CVC-rafsi / CCV-rafsi / CVV-rafsi) !h =20
> =20
> i.e. I moved the !any-extended-rafsi up from the y-less-rafsi rule to the=
 initial-rafsi rule. I also excluded rafsi strings from satisfying the slin=
ku'i rule, otherwise things like "smabru'yske" get excluded. Now all the br=
ivla rafsi that I tested work as expected, blocking all the slinku'i cases.=
 =20
> =20
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
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                <div>
                    I'll put these in. Did you intentionally remove the !y =
guard from y_less_rafsi? Before, I have
                </div><div><br></div><div>y-less-rafsi &lt;- !y-rafsi ( CVC=
-rafsi <b>!y</b> / CCV-rafsi / CVV-rafsi ) !any-extended-rafsi</div><div><b=
r></div><div>mu'o mi'e la durkavore</div>
                <div></div>
                =20
                <p style=3D"color: #A0A0A8;">On Saturday, November 15, 2014=
 at 4:53 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote:</p>
                <blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"border-left-style:solid;=
border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;">
                    <span><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div><br><div>On S=
at, Nov 15, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gmail.com<=
/a>&gt;</span> wrote:<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><span>On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 11=
:15 AM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllamb=
ias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:=
</span><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;=
border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex=
"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><span><div><br></div><div><pre dir=3D"ltr" sty=
le=3D"font-family: 'Courier New', Courier, monospace; line-height: 1.2em; p=
adding: 1em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(105=
, 105, 105); overflow: auto; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-le=
ft-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-=
size: 12px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: init=
ial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">hy-rafsi =3D (long-rafsi =
vowel / CCV-rafsi / CVV-rafsi) h y h?</pre></div><div><br></div><div><pre d=
ir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: 'Courier New', Courier, monospace; line-he=
ight: 1.2em; padding: 1em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; border: 1px=
 solid rgb(105, 105, 105); overflow: auto; border-top-right-radius: 3px; bo=
rder-bottom-left-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; color: rgb(0=
, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-=
position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">stressed-hy=
-rafsi =3D (long-rafsi stressed-vowel / stressed-CCV-rafsi / stressed-CVV-r=
afsi) h y h?
</pre></div><div><br></div></span><span><div><pre dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font=
-family: 'Courier New', Courier, monospace; line-height: 1.2em; padding: 1e=
m; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(105, 105, 105=
); overflow: auto; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius:=
 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px=
; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initia=
l; background-repeat: initial initial;">y-less-rafsi &lt;- !y-rafsi !stress=
ed-y-rafsi !hy-rafsi !stressed-hy-rafsi (CVC-rafsi / CCV-rafsi / CVV-rafsi)=
 !h !any-extended-rafsi
</pre></div><div><br></div><div><pre dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: 'Cou=
rier New', Courier, monospace; line-height: 1.2em; padding: 1em; margin-top=
: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(105, 105, 105); overflow: =
auto; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; border-=
bottom-right-radius: 3px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; background-=
color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background=
-repeat: initial initial;">rafsi-string &lt;- y-less-rafsi* (gismu / CVV-fi=
nal-rafsi / stressed-y-less-rafsi short-final-rafsi / y-rafsi / stressed-y-=
rafsi / stressed-y-less-rafsi? initial-pair y / hy-rafsi / stressed-hy-rafs=
i)
</pre></div><div><br></div><div>I found this nice page where I can check a =
PEG myself without having to write a parser: <a href=3D"http://pegjs.majda.=
cz/online" target=3D"_blank">http://pegjs.majda.cz/online</a> and these cha=
nges do seem to finally fix the problem.</div></span></div></div></div></bl=
ockquote><div><br></div><div>But not quite. The sporte'y cases are fixed, b=
ut "slinku'i'yske" slips by for some reason. "slinku'i'ysaske", "slinkau'ys=
ke", "sku'iske" are all successfully blocked, so the problem seems to be wi=
th some slinku'i that end in CV'V with final stress. I'll have to keep inve=
stigating.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>OK, I th=
ink I found the glitch. Some further changes:</div><div><br></div><div><pre=
 dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: 'Courier New', Courier, monospace; line-=
height: 1.2em; padding: 1em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; border: 1=
px solid rgb(105, 105, 105); overflow: auto; border-top-right-radius: 3px; =
border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; color: rgb=
(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); backgroun=
d-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">slinkuhi =
&lt;- !rafsi-string consonant rafsi-string </pre></div><div><br></div><div>=
<pre dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: 'Courier New', Courier, monospace; l=
ine-height: 1.2em; padding: 1em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; borde=
r: 1px solid rgb(105, 105, 105); overflow: auto; border-top-right-radius: 3=
px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; color:=
 rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); backg=
round-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">initi=
al-rafsi &lt;- extended-rafsi / y-rafsi / !any-extended-rafsi y-less-rafsi =
!any-extended-rafsi</pre></div><div><br></div><div><pre dir=3D"ltr" style=
=3D"font-family: 'Courier New', Courier, monospace; line-height: 1.2em; pad=
ding: 1em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(105, =
105, 105); overflow: auto; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left=
-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-si=
ze: 12px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initia=
l initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">y-less-rafsi &lt;- !y-rafsi=
 !stressed-y-rafsi !hy-rafsi !stressed-hy-rafsi (CVC-rafsi / CCV-rafsi / CV=
V-rafsi) !h
</pre></div><div><br></div><div>i.e. I moved the !any-extended-rafsi up fro=
m the y-less-rafsi rule to the initial-rafsi rule. I also excluded rafsi st=
rings from satisfying the slinku'i rule, otherwise things like "smabru'yske=
" get excluded. Now all the brivla rafsi that I tested work as expected, bl=
ocking all the slinku'i cases.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>mu'o mi'e xor=
xes</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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