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http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Irrealis+Attitudinals
"Attitudinal. Used to command / dictate / instruct / order / oblige /
constrain / impose an obligation."

This might be in conflict with the current usage meaning roughly "have to"

May be it's not in conflict but then explanations and more examples must be
given.
Is "command to myself" really "I have to"?

I voted against this page because of {e'i} in particular too.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Irre=
alis+Attitudinals">http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Irrealis+Atti=
tudinals</a><br>&quot;Attitudinal. Used to command / dictate / instruct / o=
rder / oblige / constrain / impose an obligation.&quot;<div><br></div><div>=
This might be in conflict with the current usage meaning roughly &quot;have=
 to&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>May be it&#39;s not in conflict but then=
 explanations and more examples must be given.</div><div>Is &quot;command t=
o myself&quot; really &quot;I have to&quot;?</div><div><br></div><div>I vot=
ed against this page because of {e&#39;i} in particular too.</div></div>

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