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On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 5:47 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
wrote:

> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Irrealis+Attitudinals
> "Attitudinal. Used to command / dictate / instruct / order / oblige /
> constrain / impose an obligation."
>
> This might be in conflict with the current usage meaning roughly "have to"
>
> May be it's not in conflict but then explanations and more examples must
> be given.
> Is "command to myself" really "I have to"?
>

I would translate for example "e'i mi cliva" into Esperanto as "mi foriru".
which is a first person imperative. English doesn't strictly have first
person imperatives, so it would be "I should leave".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 5:47 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.=
name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Irrealis=
+Attitudinals" target=3D"_blank">http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A=
+Irrealis+Attitudinals</a><br>&quot;Attitudinal. Used to command / dictate =
/ instruct / order / oblige / constrain / impose an obligation.&quot;<div><=
br></div><div>This might be in conflict with the current usage meaning roug=
hly &quot;have to&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>May be it&#39;s not in con=
flict but then explanations and more examples must be given.</div><div>Is &=
quot;command to myself&quot; really &quot;I have to&quot;?</div></div></blo=
ckquote><div><br></div><div>I would translate for example &quot;e&#39;i mi =
cliva&quot; into Esperanto as &quot;mi foriru&quot;. which is a first perso=
n imperative. English doesn&#39;t strictly have first person imperatives, s=
o it would be &quot;I should leave&quot;.</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o=
 mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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