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2014-11-22 0:31 GMT+03:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:

>
>
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Alex Burka <durka42@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Er, how is this not redundant to {.ei}? {.ei mi cliva} is what I've
>> always said for that example.
>>
>
> They are similar, yes. The main difference is that with ".e'i" the speake=
r
> is the source of authority, whereas with ".ei" it's just how the speaker
> feels things ought to be. With first person actions the difference can be
> very subtle, but with second or third person it's more clear: "ei" is "th=
is
> ought to happen", whereas ".e'i" is "let this happen, make this happen".
> "ei gusni" "there ought to be light (but there's nothing I can do about
> it)" "e'i gusni" "let there be light (I command that it be so)".
>

How can "I have to go" and "I should go" be subtle? Their difference is
very important.
Why losing it?


> mu'o mi'e xorxes
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2014-11-22 0:31 GMT+03:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gmail.com=
</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D"">On =
Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Alex Burka <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:durka42@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">durka42@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>=
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der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                <div>Er, how is this not redundant to {.ei}? {.ei mi cliva}=
 is what I&#39;ve always said for that example.</div></blockquote><div><br>=
</div></span><div>They are similar, yes. The main difference is that with &=
quot;.e&#39;i&quot; the speaker is the source of authority, whereas with &q=
uot;.ei&quot; it&#39;s just how the speaker feels things ought to be. With =
first person actions the difference can be very subtle, but with second or =
third person it&#39;s more clear: &quot;ei&quot; is &quot;this ought to hap=
pen&quot;, whereas &quot;.e&#39;i&quot; is &quot;let this happen, make this=
 happen&quot;. &quot;ei gusni&quot; &quot;there ought to be light (but ther=
e&#39;s nothing I can do about it)&quot; &quot;e&#39;i gusni&quot; &quot;le=
t there be light (I command that it be so)&quot;.</div></div></div></div></=
blockquote><div><br></div><div>How can &quot;I have to go&quot; and &quot;I=
 should go&quot; be subtle? Their difference is very important.</div><div>W=
hy losing it?</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=
=3D""><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div>=C2=A0</div></=
span></div></div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">

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