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Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas scripsit:

> Here's the theory of morphological syllables in a nutshell.=20

Thanks for the excellent summary.

> The vocalic syllables consist of all possible combinations of
> (morphological) onset-nucleus-coda.

This is not quite true.  In particular, "y" can only occur in lujvo (and
cmevla), and in lujvo at least such syllables can only have the form Cy,
no clusters, no coda.  That cuts back the count of syllables from 25,020
(counting "." and "'" as different) to 139*9*18 + 17*1*1 =3D 23,786 vocalic
syllables.  Indeed, with a different theory of syllabication in which
Cy is always divided between coda C and "y" in a syllable by itself,
the count drops to 23,770 vocalic syllables.

> I don't mind [the buffer vowel] appearing sporadically at the
> phonological level, I just don't want it at the phonemic level because
> I think it hinders more than helps.

Emphatic agreement, substituting "phonetic level" for "phonological level".

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