Received: from mail-pd0-f183.google.com ([209.85.192.183]:64731) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XnUYv-0005us-T3; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 07:38:05 -0800 Received: by mail-pd0-f183.google.com with SMTP id y13sf888337pdi.20 for ; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 07:37:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :user-agent:sender:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/9HS6I6CONtJt2Xz2vEP/MSzoobc6BSGdrVajTbYs2w=; b=P5X9u9bWzushQqXK9GzsiBoZMYBcPy7gcHJPeihtulr4MDRK+IFfI1925VlLZl72qj u7FhURT4rAFdwljW6P4JMU0kykl7KWdNrbf46Noa9ZRp4FhvLyXM4LHB8dLSACyy61nq /LY7CD5Cetf1cA5B5BeqqhrbsG6avel4vsdeBIUNLAtDvy8jybcih6pR64eOV0u4gcMc l3vnu4gMfZfSTnhFaAucWNntyAarGitNWnoACa7sm5XzKxXNEZwsZqztafPtnbz2UCNh yhyO6IZtLnnrF2j9maOWZXR4mlpASpTcbqqbLL9WWndW+Qr8j94yXdcRNzUKQeaDyPV7 rOig== X-Received: by 10.182.76.70 with SMTP id i6mr608obw.35.1415547471161; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 07:37:51 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.215.194 with SMTP id ok2ls512131obc.78.gmail; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 07:37:50 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.2.42 with SMTP id 10mr20228930obr.45.1415547470854; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 07:37:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.ccil.org (earth.ccil.org. [192.190.237.11]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k9si583346igu.0.2014.11.09.07.37.49 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 09 Nov 2014 07:37:49 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of cowan@ccil.org designates 192.190.237.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=192.190.237.11; Received: from cowan by earth.ccil.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1XnUYm-0005CV-PD for bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 10:37:48 -0500 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 10:37:48 -0500 From: John Cowan To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bpfk] camxes and syllabification in zi'evla Message-ID: <20141109153748.GD4868@mercury.ccil.org> References: <544CB576.2070503@gmail.com> <544CF7D1.9050300@gmail.com> <544D197D.5000709@gmail.com> <20141109033347.GO6360@mercury.ccil.org> <49D423038AB048B3832946E4D73A58D8@gmail.com> <20141109055359.GA4868@mercury.ccil.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: cowan@ccil.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of cowan@ccil.org designates 192.190.237.11 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=cowan@ccil.org Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 1375 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas scripsit: > That was the idea, yes. In fact only Cyr and Cyn. The -l- hyphen would no= w > never be needed, since the final consonant of the rafsi becomes irrelevan= t > for the choice of hyphen and so -yr- works for all cases except when the > fu'ivla proper begins with r. I was actually thinking of something more radical: replace all syllabic consonants with yC throughout the language. Ivan Derzhanski argued for this long ago, and I now think he was correct: they reduce readability and make things more awkward. Syllabic consonants were introduced by JCB, and I think we should have discarded them for Lojban; Loglan wound up being more dependent on them, and writing them double. > Type-3 fu'ivla become thus something like pseudo-lujvo, which is what the= y > are anyway. Indeed. --=20 John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Uneasy lies the head that wears the Editor's hat! --Eddie Foirbeis Climo --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.