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Subject: Re: [bpfk] extended rafsi and a tosmabru/slinku'i boondoggle
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What about checking for validity by humans?
Humans wont be able to determine the validity of the resulting brivla on
the fly if they use these numerous rules.

cant something more simple be proposed (may be at the expense of losing
some already valid brivla and/or allowing more forms) ?

Who will take always their computer with them just to check words for
validity?

2014-11-15 20:05 GMT+03:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:

>
>
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.c=
om>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> hy-rafsi =3D (long-rafsi vowel / CCV-rafsi / CVV-rafsi) h y h?
>>
>>
>> stressed-hy-rafsi =3D (long-rafsi stressed-vowel / stressed-CCV-rafsi / =
stressed-CVV-rafsi) h y h?
>>
>>
>> y-less-rafsi <- !y-rafsi !stressed-y-rafsi !hy-rafsi !stressed-hy-rafsi =
(CVC-rafsi / CCV-rafsi / CVV-rafsi) !h !any-extended-rafsi
>>
>>
>> rafsi-string <- y-less-rafsi* (gismu / CVV-final-rafsi / stressed-y-less=
-rafsi short-final-rafsi / y-rafsi / stressed-y-rafsi / stressed-y-less-raf=
si? initial-pair y / hy-rafsi / stressed-hy-rafsi)
>>
>>
>> I found this nice page where I can check a PEG myself without having to
>> write a parser: http://pegjs.majda.cz/online and these changes do seem
>> to finally fix the problem.
>>
>
> But not quite. The sporte'y cases are fixed, but "slinku'i'yske" slips by
> for some reason. "slinku'i'ysaske", "slinkau'yske", "sku'iske" are all
> successfully blocked, so the problem seems to be with some slinku'i that
> end in CV'V with final stress. I'll have to keep investigating.
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
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<div dir=3D"ltr">What about checking for validity by humans?<div>Humans won=
t be able to determine the validity of the resulting brivla on the fly if t=
hey use these numerous rules.</div><div><br><div>cant something more simple=
 be proposed (may be at the expense of losing some already valid brivla and=
/or allowing more forms) ?</div><div><br></div><div>Who will take always th=
eir computer with them just to check words for validity?</div></div></div><=
div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014-11-15 20:05 G=
MT+03:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllam=
bias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extr=
a"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D"">On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at =
11:15 AM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjlla=
mbias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrot=
e:</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmai=
l_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D""><div><br></div><div><p=
re dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:&#39;Courier New&#39;,Courier,monospace=
;line-height:1.2em;padding:1em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;border:1px =
solid rgb(105,105,105);overflow:auto;border-top-right-radius:3px;border-bot=
tom-left-radius:3px;border-bottom-right-radius:3px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-si=
ze:12px;background:rgb(245,245,245)">hy-rafsi =3D (long-rafsi vowel / CCV-r=
afsi / CVV-rafsi) h y h?</pre></div><div><br></div><div><pre dir=3D"ltr" st=
yle=3D"font-family:&#39;Courier New&#39;,Courier,monospace;line-height:1.2e=
m;padding:1em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;border:1px solid rgb(105,105=
,105);overflow:auto;border-top-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-left-radius:3=
px;border-bottom-right-radius:3px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px;backgroun=
d:rgb(245,245,245)">stressed-hy-rafsi =3D (long-rafsi stressed-vowel / stre=
ssed-CCV-rafsi / stressed-CVV-rafsi) h y h?
</pre></div><div><br></div></span><span class=3D""><div><pre dir=3D"ltr" st=
yle=3D"font-family:&#39;Courier New&#39;,Courier,monospace;line-height:1.2e=
m;padding:1em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;border:1px solid rgb(105,105=
,105);overflow:auto;border-top-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-left-radius:3=
px;border-bottom-right-radius:3px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px;backgroun=
d:rgb(245,245,245)">y-less-rafsi &lt;- !y-rafsi !stressed-y-rafsi !hy-rafsi=
 !stressed-hy-rafsi (CVC-rafsi / CCV-rafsi / CVV-rafsi) !h !any-extended-ra=
fsi
</pre></div><div><br></div><div><pre dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:&#39;=
Courier New&#39;,Courier,monospace;line-height:1.2em;padding:1em;margin-top=
:0px;margin-bottom:0px;border:1px solid rgb(105,105,105);overflow:auto;bord=
er-top-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-left-radius:3px;border-bottom-right-r=
adius:3px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px;background:rgb(245,245,245)">rafs=
i-string &lt;- y-less-rafsi* (gismu / CVV-final-rafsi / stressed-y-less-raf=
si short-final-rafsi / y-rafsi / stressed-y-rafsi / stressed-y-less-rafsi? =
initial-pair y / hy-rafsi / stressed-hy-rafsi)
</pre></div><div><br></div><div>I found this nice page where I can check a =
PEG myself without having to write a parser: <a href=3D"http://pegjs.majda.=
cz/online" target=3D"_blank">http://pegjs.majda.cz/online</a> and these cha=
nges do seem to finally fix the problem.</div></span></div></div></div></bl=
ockquote><div><br></div><div>But not quite. The sporte&#39;y cases are fixe=
d, but &quot;slinku&#39;i&#39;yske&quot; slips by for some reason. &quot;sl=
inku&#39;i&#39;ysaske&quot;, &quot;slinkau&#39;yske&quot;, &quot;sku&#39;is=
ke&quot; are all successfully blocked, so the problem seems to be with some=
 slinku&#39;i that end in CV&#39;V with final stress. I&#39;ll have to keep=
 investigating.</div><span class=3D""><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e=
 xorxes</div><div><br></div></span></div></div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb">=
<div class=3D"h5">

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