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Subject: Re: [bpfk] extended rafsi and a tosmabru/slinku'i boondoggle
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On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 9:20 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

> la .xorxes. cu cusku di'e
>
>>
>> It depends on how much you're willing to throw away. If we were to throw
>> away the whole rafsi system and start afresh, then the rules could be
>> made much more simple.
>>
>
> I would be very interested in seeing said simpler rules. If those rules
> were not only quite-a-bit simpler, but *much* *much* simpler, then that
> would be yet another good reason to do away with rafsi and the
> morphological split between lujvo and zi'evla/fu'ivla.
>

Well, if we throw away rafsi but keep the look-and-feel of brivla, we can
replace the current 35 rules that deal with brivla with just a single one:
Basically something like:

  brivla <- !cmevla !cmavo !h &onset unstressed-syllable+ stressed-syllable
&post-word

That basically gives any valid string of syllables, with penultimate
stress, that either start with a cluster or with a cmavo form followed by a
non-initial C/C, and ends with a vowel, Depending on how we want to go,
y-syllables and consonantal syllables could be allowed as well or not, It's
clear that all the complications of brivla morphology come from the rafsi
system.

The cmavo rule would also be slightly simplified since it wouldn't have to
deal with the CVCy-lujvo exception.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 9:20 PM, selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</spa=
n> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">la .xorxes. cu cusku di&#39;e<b=
r>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D""><br>
It depends on how much you&#39;re willing to throw away. If we were to thro=
w<br>
away the whole rafsi system and start afresh, then the rules could be<br>
made much more simple.<br>
</span></blockquote>
<br>
I would be very interested in seeing said simpler rules. If those rules wer=
e not only quite-a-bit simpler, but *much* *much* simpler, then that would =
be yet another good reason to do away with rafsi and the morphological spli=
t between lujvo and zi&#39;evla/fu&#39;ivla.<br></blockquote><div><br></div=
><div>Well, if we throw away rafsi but keep the look-and-feel of brivla, we=
 can replace the current 35 rules that deal with brivla with just a single =
one: Basically something like:</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 brivla &lt;-=
 !cmevla !cmavo !h &amp;onset unstressed-syllable+ stressed-syllable &amp;p=
ost-word</div><div><br></div><div>That basically gives any valid string of =
syllables, with penultimate stress, that either start with a cluster or wit=
h a cmavo form followed by a non-initial C/C, and ends with a vowel, Depend=
ing on how we want to go, y-syllables and consonantal syllables could be al=
lowed as well or not, It&#39;s clear that all the complications of brivla m=
orphology come from the rafsi system.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>The cm=
avo rule would also be slightly simplified since it wouldn&#39;t have to de=
al with the CVCy-lujvo exception.</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;=
e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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