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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::229]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f6si1724501wiv.0.2014.12.04.10.07.55 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Dec 2014 10:07:55 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::229 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::229; Received: by mail-wi0-f169.google.com with SMTP id r20so37203349wiv.0 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 10:07:55 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.194.63.198 with SMTP id i6mr10710445wjs.90.1417716475666; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 10:07:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.87.229 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 10:07:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <75193C89A357400681AD84241A9439A7@gmail.com> References: <75193C89A357400681AD84241A9439A7@gmail.com> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 21:07:34 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] BPFK Section: Subordinators To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7ba972b8eca74d050967d662 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 11051 --047d7ba972b8eca74d050967d662 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 According to another xorxe's definition {po} is expanded into po = [GOI] poi ke'a se steci le ka ce'u srana 2014-12-04 20:30 GMT+03:00 Alex Burka : > It seems acceptable for a one-word gloss. You aren't going to get the best > translation in one word. Do you have a better gloss? > > On Thursday, December 4, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > > > 2014-12-04 17:34 GMT+03:00 Alex Burka : > > > On Thursday, December 4, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > *po is often used for the standard sense of possession, i.e. physical or > legal ownership. It is essentially equivalent to poi traji lo ka ce'u ckini > ke'a vau fa.* > > {fa}? How can it be "equivalent"? Anyway why is it glossed as "specific > to" which hints at {steci}? > > As in {ko'a *po* ko'e} == {ko'a *poi traji lo ka ce'u ckini ke'a vau fa* > ko'e} == {ko'a poi ko'e traji lo ka ce'u ckini ke'a}. > > > How can you comment on such gloss as "specific"? > > > *po'e is used for things like people's limbs or parental relationships or > other inalienable things. It is essentially equivalent to poi jinzi ke se > steci srana.* > > This tanru should be replaced with some no-tanru definition like xorxe's > {poi ke'a se jinzi le ka ce'u se steci le ka ce'u srana}. > > ie .i va'o lo nu no da pante kei mi baza stika > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BPFK" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BPFK" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BPFK" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BPFK" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. 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According to another xorxe's definition {po} is expand= ed into=C2=A0
po =3D [GOI] poi ke'a se steci le ka ce'u srana

2014-12-04 20:= 30 GMT+03:00 Alex Burka <aburka@seas.upenn.edu>:
It seems acceptable for a one-word gloss. You aren'= ;t going to get the best translation in one word. Do you have a better glos= s?
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On Thursday, December 4, 2014 at= 10:56 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:



2014= -12-04 17:34 GMT+03:00 Alex Burka <aburka@seas.upenn.edu>:

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On Thursday, December 4, 2014 at= 8:54 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:

po is oft= en used for the standard sense of possession, i.e. physical or legal owners= hip. It is essentially equivalent to poi traji lo ka ce'u ckini ke'= a vau fa.

{fa}? How can it be &qu= ot;equivalent"? Anyway why is it glossed as "specific to" wh= ich hints at {steci}?
As in {ko'a po ko'e} =3D=3D {ko'a poi traji l= o ka ce'u ckini ke'a vau fa ko'e} =3D=3D {ko'a poi ko&#= 39;e traji lo ka ce'u ckini ke'a}.=C2=A0

How can you comment on such gloss as "specific"= ?
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po'e is used fo= r things like people's limbs or parental relationships or other inalien= able things. It is essentially equivalent to poi jinzi ke se steci srana.

This tanru should be replaced with some no-tanr= u definition like xorxe's {poi ke'a se jinzi le ka ce'u se stec= i le ka ce'u srana}.
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