Received: from mail-wi0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]:48409) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwe34-000486-Gx; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 13:34:56 -0800 Received: by mail-wi0-f189.google.com with SMTP id r20sf1515477wiv.26 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 13:34:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=V4CRoUmQ2oOLaAOF2vP+1QHPiHk09/vPVoWA1qo9+VY=; b=jP9LVe5Ng0ccJeTVeGl5iB03yJb8+t8jXIq72IQRuqU9jjn4FBNUFqjA5dpakH1PyN KeyE/nZvPUSpAnNPK/g4y8uPxv1ZdSCNL1seF4XeHmR4alJk9BxYSTWYGYLA6Sal72kj DtxqGh7zT4cX5ON/gXechleWULejbV4xI03JQJxUKgEnC/MvrkKaGVgsmaXb7PgO7aFU 3LkP/MBysptxcAIH7BtrFuUOdkzHX961NYfQ7d1PAGqW0CMw6v9dqdE4Y25TDlSJWhyt c+LFTH4KuOXolJ3NulVeE8qUFFCUMXwY4KfejYDY9AZB/M7p8QiwjWC1SMKs8kjkuB0b E36w== X-Received: by 10.152.8.135 with SMTP id r7mr42257laa.20.1417728887695; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 13:34:47 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.21.5 with SMTP id r5ls255890lae.47.gmail; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 13:34:47 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.112.130.8 with SMTP id oa8mr908985lbb.11.1417728887174; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 13:34:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-la0-x235.google.com (mail-la0-x235.google.com. [2a00:1450:4010:c03::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id oi7si45855lbb.1.2014.12.04.13.34.47 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Dec 2014 13:34:47 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::235; Received: by mail-la0-f53.google.com with SMTP id gm9so14796440lab.40 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 13:34:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.30.39 with SMTP id p7mr11813699lah.5.1417728887044; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 13:34:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.70.111 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 13:34:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 18:34:46 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] Re: BPFK Section: Non-logical Connectives From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0160b5fab33f6105096abab4 X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 4711 --089e0160b5fab33f6105096abab4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:16 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > Additionally I suggest the following for {pi'u}: > lo plise onai bo lo perli pi'u lo xunre a lo pelxu cu vomei > The cross-product of apples and pears that are either red or yellos has 4 > members. > > Is this correct and can you provide a more natural translation? > Let's see: lo plise .o nai bo lo perli pi'u lo xunre .a lo pelxu cu vo mei lo selcmipi'i be lo plise .o nai lo perli bei lo xunre ,a lo pelxu cu vo mei lo poi'i ke'a selcmipi'i lo plise .o nai lo perli lo perli ,a lo pelxu cu vo mei lo poi'i go ga ke'a selcmipi'i lo plise lo xunre gi ke'a selcmipi'i lo plise lo pelxu gi nai ga ke'a selcmipi'i lo perli lo xunre gi ke'a selcmipi'i lo perli lo pelxu cu vo mei The cross product of apples and red things is not apples that are red, it's the pairs whose first member is an apple and whose second member is a red thing. So if we have two apples and two red things, their cross product is the four pairs: (apple1, red-thing1), (apple2, red-thing1), (apple1, red-thing2) and (apple2, red-thing2). So I don't think your sentence means what you think it means. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --089e0160b5fab33f6105096abab4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:16 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@= gmail.com> wrote:
Addit= ionally I suggest the following for {pi'u}:
lo plise onai bo lo perl= i pi'u lo xunre a lo pelxu cu vomei
The cross-product of apples and pears that are either red or = yellos has 4 members.

Is this correct and can = you provide a more natural translation?

Let's see:

lo plise .o nai bo lo perl= i pi'u lo xunre .a lo pelxu cu vo mei
lo selcmipi'i be lo= plise .o nai lo perli bei lo xunre ,a lo pelxu cu vo mei
lo poi&= #39;i ke'a selcmipi'i lo plise .o nai lo perli lo perli ,a lo pelxu= cu vo mei
lo poi'i go ga ke'a selcmipi'i lo plise lo= xunre =C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0gi ke'a selcmipi'i lo plise lo pelxu
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0gi nai ga ke'a selcmipi'i lo perli l= o xunre =C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 gi ke'a selcmipi'i lo perli lo pelxu cu vo mei=

The cross product of apples and red things is not= apples that are red, it's the pairs whose first member is an apple and= whose second member is a red thing. So if we have two apples and two red t= hings, their cross product is the four pairs: (apple1, red-thing1), (apple2= , red-thing1), (apple1, red-thing2) and (apple2, red-thing2).
So I don't think your sentence means what you think it mean= s.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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