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Subject: Re: [bpfk] official cmavo form
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I'm not maikxlx, but I was asking whether you were making a distinction bet=
ween {ia} and {i,a} (because I thought that under camxes there was no such =
distinction). =20

mu'o mi'e la durkavore =20


On Friday, December 19, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote:

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> =20
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Alex Burka <aburka@seas.upenn.edu (mailt=
o:aburka@seas.upenn.edu)> wrote:
> > I also thought that glides can't be pronounced disyllabically, because =
then our stress rules would be inconsistent (if you pronounce {brodaiare} a=
s {bro,da,i,a,re} and stress the /i/ then wouldn't it fall apart?). =20
> > =20
> =20
> =20
> The stress should be on the penultimate nucleus, in this case "a".  Prono=
uncing the glide as if it were a separate syllable doesn't break anything (=
much like pronouncing "na" as if it were two syllables "n,a") although it d=
oes make it more likely that it could be confused with something else.
>  =20
> > So I don't know exactly what you mean by {i,avla} and {mi,avla} here. A=
m I hopelessly confused?
> =20
> I was addressing your proposal to forbid ia in fu'ivla/ma'ovla except wor=
d-initially, because i,a and i'a are too close. I don't understand why they=
 are more distinct word-initially than in other parts of the word. =20
> =20
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
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                <div>
                    I'm not maikxlx, but I was asking whether you were maki=
ng a distinction between {ia} and {i,a} (because I thought that under camxe=
s there was no such distinction).
                </div><div><br></div><div>mu'o mi'e la durkavore</div>
                <div></div>
                =20
                <p style=3D"color: #A0A0A8;">On Friday, December 19, 2014 a=
t 5:45 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote:</p>
                <blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"border-left-style:solid;=
border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;">
                    <span><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div><br><div>On F=
ri, Dec 19, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Alex Burka <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:aburka@seas.upenn.edu" target=3D"_blank">aburka@seas.upenn.edu</a>&gt;=
</span> wrote:<blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
                <div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px">I also =
thought that glides can't be pronounced disyllabically, because then our st=
ress rules would be inconsistent (if you pronounce {brodaiare} as {bro,da,i=
,a,re} and stress the /i/ then wouldn't it fall apart?). </div></div></bloc=
kquote><div><br></div><div>The stress should be on the penultimate nucleus,=
 in this case "a".&nbsp; Pronouncing the glide as if it were a separate syl=
lable doesn't break anything (much like pronouncing "na" as if it were two =
syllables "n,a") although it does make it more likely that it could be conf=
used with something else.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote style=3D"margin=
:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"font=
-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px">So I don't know exactly what you mean by =
{i,avla} and {mi,avla} here. Am I hopelessly confused?<br></div></blockquot=
e><div><br></div><div>I was addressing your proposal to forbid ia in fu'ivl=
a/ma'ovla except word-initially, because i,a and i'a are too close. I don't=
 understand why they are more distinct word-initially than in other parts o=
f the word.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>mu'o mi'e xorxes</div><div>&nbsp=
;</div></div></div></div>

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