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On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:

> My stance on this issue, which I believe is a decent compromise between
> the different issues raised in this thread (which I will not take the time
> to respond to individually) is that glides should be permitted, but be
> non-clustering.
>
> What I mean by "non-clustering" is that clusters of the form /Cg/ should
> be forbidden. In other words, the occurrance of Cg means a syllable break
> must occur between the C and g.
>

The only thing with that is that it gives strings that look like they might
be words but are not, such as "sepia" or "akua", unless Cg is considered a
consonant cluster as required by brivla. If not, "sepia" would be
phonotactically fine but morphologically unanalyzable. We already have some
such things (namely slinku'i, isloated CCV rafsi, and a few things
involving "y") but it's not nice.


> Also, since this proposal effectively considers /j/ and /w/ as consonants,
> I think I should clarify that I would be opposed to considering words such
> as "uitki" to be gismu, simply on the basis that expanding the gismu space
> should be done with more care. We may wish to consider them gismu at a
> later time, but that would require changing words such as "uitki" that do
> not deserve to be gismu. (I'm not specifically saying uitki is undeserving
> of a gismu. That's a separate debate, unrelated to the one at hand.) For
> now they should still be considered zi'evla/fu'ivla.
>

camxes considers them fu'ivla, which means that "brauitki" is another
fu'ivla and not a lujvo. The "barda zei uitki" lujvo being "bardyuitki".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Jacob Errington <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:nictytan@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">nictytan@gmail.com<=
/a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">My=
 stance on this issue, which I believe is a decent compromise between the d=
ifferent issues raised in this thread (which I will not take the time to re=
spond to individually) is that glides should be permitted, but be non-clust=
ering.<br><br>What I mean by &quot;non-clustering&quot; is that clusters of=
 the form /Cg/ should be forbidden. In other words, the occurrance of Cg me=
ans a syllable break must occur between the C and g.<br></div></blockquote>=
<div><br></div><div>The only thing with that is that it gives strings that =
look like they might be words but are not, such as &quot;sepia&quot; or &qu=
ot;akua&quot;, unless Cg is considered a consonant cluster as required by b=
rivla. If not, &quot;sepia&quot; would be phonotactically fine but morpholo=
gically unanalyzable. We already have some such things (namely slinku&#39;i=
, isloated CCV rafsi, and a few things involving &quot;y&quot;) but it&#39;=
s not nice.=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">Also, since this proposal effectively considers /j/ and /w/ as=
 consonants, I think I should clarify that I would be opposed to considerin=
g words such as &quot;uitki&quot; to be gismu, simply on the basis that exp=
anding the gismu space should be done with more care. We may wish to consid=
er them gismu at a later time, but that would require changing words such a=
s &quot;uitki&quot; that do not deserve to be gismu. (I&#39;m not specifica=
lly saying uitki is undeserving of a gismu. That&#39;s a separate debate, u=
nrelated to the one at hand.) For now they should still be considered zi=
9;evla/fu&#39;ivla.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>camxes consid=
ers them fu&#39;ivla, which means that &quot;brauitki&quot; is another fu&#=
39;ivla and not a lujvo. The &quot;barda zei uitki&quot; lujvo being &quot;=
bardyuitki&quot;.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</=
div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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