Received: from mail-lb0-f184.google.com ([209.85.217.184]:55364) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3YHH-0003km-M2; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:50:09 -0800 Received: by mail-lb0-f184.google.com with SMTP id u14sf618192lbd.1; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:50:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=fKWhfLAYW6HG10PONI77igaKwaYGi1GSDij/UxAnkCs=; b=mLT3PtbJhjngtr2rWEvaFDjekmEQ3GfDRsPZs8IGTrie0BYky+FcajGSCENnCa1mkc enTBYKbVtzJNF3VBBdiNb5Afk0OQr0oYYyPh6HmYXKpDAxUSVNJ+LywUlvo2MgRRsw6m j1vKD3xsXuG+egu5x6b/kHtk3nrAz5wE2tiTyKnzeu5zTkuzMDEEYjhMiMUy7arm04Va lqZHsjKalxm4FI+MscjQdwzGlxwidt1QHAwyw9g7taqJuaTQSNgzxbj0VgXM7d++LqA0 oCMgArmr1R5DwSbplILk9oiWceZ3lhOhcokmesrMZtt9KJrdIEyeHsNPUb5F0Pi+CNSL VW4A== X-Received: by 10.180.205.230 with SMTP id lj6mr150905wic.8.1419375000167; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:50:00 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.198.226 with SMTP id jf2ls742258wic.50.gmail; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:49:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.180.7.226 with SMTP id m2mr3099604wia.5.1419374999715; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:49:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wi0-x22f.google.com (mail-wi0-x22f.google.com. [2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j6si981783wix.1.2014.12.23.14.49.59 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:49:59 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f; Received: by mail-wi0-f175.google.com with SMTP id l15so12122307wiw.14 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:49:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.194.81.38 with SMTP id w6mr56660169wjx.17.1419374999629; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:49:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (95-210-209-168.ip.skylogicnet.com. [95.210.209.168]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id i3sm18262461wie.23.2014.12.23.14.49.55 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:49:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5499F18D.1010209@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:49:49 +0100 From: Ilmen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [bpfk] pi PA [sumti] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080900040508060704080609" X-Original-Sender: ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 4135 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080900040508060704080609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =E2=80=A2 http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+gadri piPA /[sumti]/ =3D lo piPA si'e be pa me /[sumti]/ =E2=80=A2 http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Numeric+selbri *cmavo: si'e (MOI)** **Proposed Definition* Converts a number, lerfu-string or ME-converted sumti into a tanru-unit.=20 The place structure in the case of a number is /"x1 is/are a=20 /[number]/th of x2"/. In general for any sumti the place structure is=20 /"x1 is a part/fraction of x2, quantified by /[number/lerfu/sumti]/"/. // Isn't there a contradiction between the proposed expansion for {pi PA=20 [sumti]} and the definition of {si'e}? Shouldn't the former be {_pi PA_ [sumti] =3D lo _me li pa fe'i PA me'u_=20 si'e be...}, or something like that? Besides, isn't it weird that {pi ro ko'a} has a different meaning from=20 {pa ko'a}? mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --------------080900040508060704080609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =E2=80=A2 ht= tp://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+gadri

piPA [sumti]=C2=A0 =3D=C2=A0 lo piPA si'e be pa me <= em>[sumti]

=E2=80=A2 ht= tp://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Numeric+selbri

cmavo: si'e (MOI)
Proposed Definition

Converts a number, lerfu-string or ME-converted sumti into a tanru-unit. The place structure in the case of a number is = "x1 is/are a [number]th of x2". In general for any sumti the place structure is "x1 is a part/fraction of x2, quantified by [number/lerfu/sumti]".

Isn't there a contradiction between the proposed expansion for {pi PA [sumti]} and the definition of {si'e}?
Shouldn't the former be {pi PA [sumti] =3D lo me li pa fe'i PA me'u si'e be...}, or something like that?

Besides, isn't it weird that {pi ro ko'a} has a different meaning from {pa ko'a}?

mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o

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