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[2607:f470:8:64:5ea5::e]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id o8si1035029qca.1.2014.12.14.10.56.23 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 10:56:23 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of aburka@seas.upenn.edu designates 2607:f470:8:64:5ea5::e as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f470:8:64:5ea5::e; Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-69-249-31-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net [69.249.31.89]) (authenticated bits=0) by fox.seas.upenn.edu (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sBEIuMfZ020138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 13:56:23 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 13:56:17 -0500 From: Alex Burka To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20141214184520.GB29313@mercury.ccil.org> References: <548AC3CB.7090403@gmx.de> <580B9AB84B34485AB4139B921C46CF42@gmail.com> <3ED463A548E74A53BD8F2ECEF0C620F8@gmail.com> <14FDADF47D7841A39D612894E81CC89B@gmail.com> <20141214025736.GB19927@mercury.ccil.org> <20141214184520.GB29313@mercury.ccil.org> Subject: Re: [bpfk] official cmavo form X-Mailer: sparrow 1.6.4 (build 1178) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="548ddd51_799d0247_5568" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5400 definitions=5800 signatures=585085 X-PP-Spam-Details: rule=add_spam_details policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1111160001 definitions=main-1412140211 X-Original-Sender: aburka@seas.upenn.edu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of aburka@seas.upenn.edu designates 2607:f470:8:64:5ea5::e as permitted sender) smtp.mail=aburka@seas.upenn.edu Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 5787 --548ddd51_799d0247_5568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline By the way, if I modify the "onset" rule from =20 onset <- h / consonant? glide / initial to onset <- h / glide / initial This cuts out {saskrkuarka}, but {bangrblgaria} is saved by being parsed as= {ban,gr,bl,GAR,ia} (whereas with the current PEG it parses as {ban,gr,bl,G= A,ria}). Is this how we would do it, if we end up prohibiting some or all CgV, or wo= uld it be more restrictive, like adding "!glide" at the end of the "consona= nt" rule (which does kill both of these examples)? mu'o mi'e la durkavore =20 On Sunday, December 14, 2014 at 1:45 PM, John Cowan wrote: > Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas scripsit: > =20 > > But CLL doesn't forbid CgV's in fu'ivla. It has examples such as > > "saskrkuarka" and "bangrblgaria", so I don't think CLL has a problem wi= th > > "tuitsku". > > =20 > =20 > =20 > I now think that these were mistakes. > =20 > -- =20 > John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org (mailto:cowan@ccil.o= rg) > An observable characteristic is not necessarily a functional requirement. > --John Hudson > =20 > -- =20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "BPFK" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com (mailto:bpfk-list+unsubscr= ibe@googlegroups.com). > To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com (mailto:b= pfk-list@googlegroups.com). > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > =20 > =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. 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By the way, if I modify the "onset" rule from

onset <- h / consonant? glide / initial<= /div>

to

onset <- h / glide / initial<= /div>

This cuts out {saskrkuarka}, but {bangrblgaria} is= saved by being parsed as {ban,gr,bl,GAR,ia} (whereas with the current PEG = it parses as {ban,gr,bl,GA,ria}).

Is this how we w= ould do it, if we end up prohibiting some or all CgV, or would it be more r= estrictive, like adding "!glide" at the end of the "consonant" rule (which = does kill both of these examples)?

mu'o mi'e la du= rkavore
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On Sunday, December 14, 2014 a= t 1:45 PM, John Cowan wrote:

Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas scripsit:

But CLL doesn't forbid = CgV's in fu'ivla. It has examples such as
"saskrkuarka" and "bang= rblgaria", so I don't think CLL has a problem with
"tuitsku".

I now think that these were mistak= es.

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An observable characte= ristic is not necessarily a functional requirement.
--Joh= n Hudson

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