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 Content preview:  I agree. Let's not be the BPFK that just keeps incrementally
    removing phonemes from Lojban! pe'i this is why we have the buffer vowel,
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I agree. Let's not be the BPFK that just keeps incrementally removing phonemes from Lojban! pe'i this is why we have the buffer vowel, to assist with difficult consonant clusters. 

- durkavore 


On Saturday, January 17, 2015 at 2:49 PM, John Cowan wrote:

> Gleki Arxokuna scripsit:
> 
> > Today I was reminded of one "flaw" in phonology namely, the presense of [z]
> > in Lojban.
> > 
> 
> 
> If we go down that road there is no end to it. English has no /x/,
> Arabic has no /b/, Chinese not only lacks /z/ but also /h/ and the
> sounds written "e" and "o" are more like Lojban "y" and "uy".
> Spanish has no /y/ nor /c/. Hindi is missing /h/, as is Russian.
> Finally all that would be left is p~b, t~d, g~k, and a, i, u.
> 
> -- 
> John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org (mailto:cowan@ccil.org)
> If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing
> on my shoulders. --Hal Abelson
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                <div>
                    I agree. Let's not be the BPFK that just keeps incremen=
tally removing phonemes from Lojban! pe'i this is why we have the buffer vo=
wel, to assist with difficult consonant clusters.
                </div><div><br></div><div>- durkavore</div>
                <div></div>
                =20
                <p style=3D"color: #A0A0A8;">On Saturday, January 17, 2015 =
at 2:49 PM, John Cowan wrote:</p>
                <blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"border-left-style:solid;=
border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;">
                    <span><div><div><div>Gleki Arxokuna scripsit:</div><div=
><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div>Today I was reminded of one =
"flaw" in phonology namely, the presense of [z]</div><div>in Lojban.</div><=
/div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If we go down that road there is no e=
nd to it.  English has no /x/,</div><div>Arabic has no /b/, Chinese not onl=
y lacks /z/ but also /h/ and the</div><div>sounds written "e" and "o" are m=
ore like Lojban "y" and "uy".</div><div>Spanish has no /y/ nor /c/.  Hindi =
is missing /h/, as is Russian.</div><div>Finally all that would be left is =
p~b, t~d, g~k, and a, i, u.</div><div><br></div><div>-- </div><div>John Cow=
an          <a href=3D"http://www.ccil.org/~cowan">http://www.ccil.org/~cow=
an</a>        <a href=3D"mailto:cowan@ccil.org">cowan@ccil.org</a></div><di=
v>If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing</=
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