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[2a00:1450:400c:c03::231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v8si605553wif.1.2015.01.17.23.18.10 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 17 Jan 2015 23:18:10 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::231 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c03::231; Received: by mail-we0-x231.google.com with SMTP id l61so4726482wev.8 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2015 23:18:10 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.180.84.98 with SMTP id x2mr22281041wiy.14.1421565490298; Sat, 17 Jan 2015 23:18:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.86.200 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Jan 2015 23:17:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20150117164920.GA14149@mercury.ccil.org> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 10:17:49 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] Month Names (WAS: official cmavo form) To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044401b2130449050ce80290 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.8 X-Spam_score_int: 8 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: 2015-01-18 6:51 GMT+03:00 Mike S. : > I think you're mixing up brivla and cmevla here. {febvari} (or whatever > finally decided upon) would behave no differently than any other brivla. > It's true that the {pa} in {la pa .febru'ári'us.} is part of the name, > but we wouldn't need or use that construction. If I'm not mistaken, {pa > la .febru'ári'us.} could and would mean "one February" as expected. > [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.7 DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL RBL: Envelope sender listed in dnsbl.ahbl.org [listed in googlegroups.com.rhsbl.ahbl.org. IN] [A] 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. 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If I'm not mistaken, {pa > la .febru'=C3=A1ri'us.} could and would mean "one February" as expected. > I'm not mixing them. Yes, I was talking about {la pa .februari'us.} and it doesnt work as {lo pa februari}. And {lo pa februari} makes perfect sense and can be used. If you use a cmevla with {la} you lose this meaning. Compare {lo se cmene be lu pa februari'us li'u} vs. {lo pa se cmene be zo februari'us}. Sure, {lo pa [MONTH]} hasn't been used before a lot probably since we rarely have talked about months extensively in Lojban. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. 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= 2015-01-18 6:51 GMT+03:00 Mike S. <maikxlx@gmail.com>:
I think you're = mixing up brivla and cmevla here.=C2=A0 {febvari} (or whatever finally deci= ded upon) would behave no differently than any other brivla. It's true = that the {pa} in {la pa .febru'=C3=A1ri'us.} is part of= the name, but we wouldn't need or use that construction.=C2=A0 If I'm not mistaken, {pa la .febru'=C3=A1ri'= us.} could and would mean "one February" as expected.

I'm not mixing them. Yes, I was= talking about {la pa .februari'us.} and it doesnt work as {lo pa febru= ari}.

= And {lo pa februari} makes perfect sense and can be used.
If you use a cmevla with {la} you lose this meaning.
=

Compare {lo= se cmene be lu pa februari'us li'u} vs. {lo pa se cmene be zo febr= uari'us}.

Sure, {lo pa [MONTH]} hasn't been used before a lot probably si= nce we rarely have talked about months extensively in Lojban.

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