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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::229]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jv2si448625wid.1.2015.01.17.23.37.51 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 17 Jan 2015 23:37:51 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::229 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::229; Received: by mail-wi0-f169.google.com with SMTP id bs8so11135831wib.0 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2015 23:37:51 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.180.231.33 with SMTP id td1mr22100614wic.33.1421566670985; Sat, 17 Jan 2015 23:37:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.86.200 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Jan 2015 23:37:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20150117194920.GD14149@mercury.ccil.org> References: <20150117194920.GD14149@mercury.ccil.org> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 10:37:30 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] Question on {z} vs. {dz} and {ts} To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1134dd7272e11e050ce848e7 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.8 X-Spam_score_int: 8 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Why didn't you comment on it? 2015-01-17 22:49 GMT+03:00 John Cowan : > Gleki Arxokuna scripsit: > > > Today I was reminded of one "flaw" in phonology namely, the presense of > [z] > > in Lojban. > > If we go down that road there is no end to it. English has no /x/, > Arabic has no /b/, Chinese not only lacks /z/ but also /h/ and the > sounds written "e" and "o" are more like Lojban "y" and "uy". > Spanish has no /y/ nor /c/. Hindi is missing /h/, as is Russian. > Finally all that would be left is p~b, t~d, g~k, and a, i, u. > > -- > John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org > If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing > on my shoulders. --Hal Abelson > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BPFK" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. 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Wait, I offered a solution. Why didn't you comment on = it?

2015-01-= 17 22:49 GMT+03:00 John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org>:=
Gleki Arxokuna scripsit:

> Today I was reminded of one "flaw" in phonology namely, the = presense of [z]
> in Lojban.

If we go down that road there is no end to it.=C2=A0 English has no = /x/,
Arabic has no /b/, Chinese not only lacks /z/ but also /h/ and the
sounds written "e" and "o" are more like Lojban "y= " and "uy".
Spanish has no /y/ nor /c/.=C2=A0 Hindi is missing /h/, as is Russian.
Finally all that would be left is p~b, t~d, g~k, and a, i, u.

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John Cowan=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://www.ccil.org/~cowan=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 cowan@ccil.org
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on my shoulders.=C2=A0 --Hal Abelson

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