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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 2:36 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > > 2015-01-18 10:30 GMT+03:00 Alex Burka : > > > > > > On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 2:17 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > > > > > > > 2015-01-18 6:51 GMT+03:00 Mike S. : > > > > I think you're mixing up brivla and cmevla here. {febvari} (or whatever finally decided upon) would behave no differently than any other brivla. It's true that the {pa} in {la pa .febru'ári'us.} is part of the name, but we wouldn't need or use that construction. If I'm not mistaken, {pa la .febru'ári'us.} could and would mean "one February" as expected. > > > I'm not mixing them. 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It's true that the {pa} in {la pa .febru'=C3=A1ri'us.} is part of the n= ame, but we wouldn't need or use that construction. If I'm not mistaken, {= pa la .febru'=C3=A1ri'us.} could and would mean "one February" as expected. > > > I'm not mixing them. Yes, I was talking about {la pa .februari'us.} a= nd it doesnt work as {lo pa februari}. > > > =20 > > > And {lo pa februari} makes perfect sense and can be used. > > > If you use a cmevla with {la} you lose this meaning. > > > =20 > > > =20 > > > =20 > > > =20 > > =20 > > lo pa me la .febru'Ari'us. =20 > > =20 > =20 > =20 > clani dukse i ji'a lo cmene na sumti stura kakne pe'a do pante dukse .i ma sumti stura zo febvari mu'a da'i =20 > =20 > > > =20 > > > Compare {lo se cmene be lu pa februari'us li'u} vs. {lo pa se cmene b= e zo februari'us}. > > > =20 > > > Sure, {lo pa [MONTH]} hasn't been used before a lot probably since we= rarely have talked about months extensively in Lojban. =20 > > > =20 > > > -- =20 > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gr= oups "BPFK" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen= d an email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com (mailto:bpfk-list+unsu= bscribe@googlegroups.com). > > > To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com (mail= to:bpfk-list@googlegroups.com). > > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > =20 > > -- =20 > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps "BPFK" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send = an email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com (mailto:bpfk-list+unsubs= cribe@googlegroups.com). > > To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com (mailto= :bpfk-list@googlegroups.com). > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > =20 > -- =20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "BPFK" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com (mailto:bpfk-list+unsubscr= ibe@googlegroups.com). > To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com (mailto:b= pfk-list@googlegroups.com). > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. 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On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 2= :17 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:


2015-01-= 18 6:51 GMT+03:00 Mike S. <maikxlx@gmail.com>:
<= div>I think you're mixing up brivla and cmevla here.  {febvari} (or wh= atever finally decided upon) would behave no differently than any other bri= vla. It's true that the {pa} in {la pa .febru'=C3=A1ri'us.} is = part of the name, but we wouldn't need or use that construction.  If <= /span>I'm not mistaken, {pa la .febru'=C3=A1ri'us.} coul= d and would mean "one February" as expected.

I'm not mixing them. Yes, I was talking about {la pa .februari'= us.} and it doesnt work as {lo pa februari}.

And {= lo pa februari} makes perfect sense and can be used.
If you use a= cmevla with {la} you lose this meaning.
lo pa me la .febru'Ari'us. 

clani dukse i ji'a lo cmene na sumti stura kak= ne pe'a
do pant= e dukse .i ma sumti stura zo febvari mu'a da'i 
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Compare {lo se cmene be= lu pa februari'us li'u} vs. {lo pa se cmene be zo februari'us}.
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Sure, {lo pa [MONTH]} hasn't been used before a lot probably= since we rarely have talked about months extensively in Lojban.

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