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Note that where there is no aspiration (as after /s/), there is no voicing contrast either. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org How comes city and country to be filled with drones and rogues, our highways with hackers, and all places with sloth and wickedness? --W. Blith, Eng. Improver Improved, 1652 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.