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 Content preview:  2015-01-21 4:14 GMT+03:00 selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de>: > The
   ma'oste defines {ju'o} as follows: > > "attitudinal modifier: certainty -
   uncertainty - impossibility." > > If {ju'o} is to express the certainty scale,
    then this definition is > non-compositional. This is similar to the old {.ai
    nai} definition, which > BPFK changed to a much more sensible one (replacing
    the useless {.ai nai} > with a useful one that agrees with the scale the
   word is on). > > In my opinion, the {ju'o} scale should be: > > "certainty
    - [mild certainty] - lack of certainty / uncertainty" > > I checked the corpus
    and {ju'o nai} was rarely used at all, and > occasionally used in the sense
    of current {ju'o cu'i}. > > Just like old {.ainai} was completely redundant
    to {.ai na}, current {ju'o > nai} is not much different (if at all) from
   {ju'o na}. > > {ju'o nai} is currently a very rare word, whereas {ju'o cu'i}
    is extremely > common, so its length is painful (this is an actual complaint
    by language > users). With the proposed definition, we'd also get a slightly
    shorter > replacement, so it would be killing two birds with one stone. >
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2015-01-21 4:14 GMT+03:00 selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de>:

> The ma'oste defines {ju'o} as follows:
>
>     "attitudinal modifier: certainty - uncertainty - impossibility."
>
> If {ju'o} is to express the certainty scale, then this definition is
> non-compositional. This is similar to the old {.ai nai} definition, which
> BPFK changed to a much more sensible one (replacing the useless {.ai nai}
> with a useful one that agrees with the scale the word is on).
>
> In my opinion, the {ju'o} scale should be:
>
>     "certainty - [mild certainty] - lack of certainty / uncertainty"
>
> I checked the corpus and {ju'o nai} was rarely used at all, and
> occasionally used in the sense of current {ju'o cu'i}.
>
> Just like old {.ainai} was completely redundant to {.ai na}, current {ju'o
> nai} is not much different (if at all) from {ju'o na}.
>
> {ju'o nai} is currently a very rare word, whereas {ju'o cu'i} is extremely
> common, so its length is painful (this is an actual complaint by language
> users). With the proposed definition, we'd also get a slightly shorter
> replacement, so it would be killing two birds with one stone.
>

pe'i lo'u ju'onai li'u ka'e plixau i mu'a di'e

ju'onai xu lo tai valsi cu se pilno
Are such words used? I'm sure they are not!

i pe'i lo'u ju'o xu li'o na co'e le'u na mapti va'o


>
> Any thoughts?
>
> mi'e la selpa'i mu'o
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2015-01-21 4:14 GMT+03:00 selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span>:<br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">The ma&#39;oste defines {ju&#39;o} as follows:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;attitudinal modifier: certainty - uncertainty - impossi=
bility.&quot;<br>
<br>
If {ju&#39;o} is to express the certainty scale, then this definition is no=
n-compositional. This is similar to the old {.ai nai} definition, which BPF=
K changed to a much more sensible one (replacing the useless {.ai nai} with=
 a useful one that agrees with the scale the word is on).<br>
<br>
In my opinion, the {ju&#39;o} scale should be:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;certainty - [mild certainty] - lack of certainty / unce=
rtainty&quot;<br>
<br>
I checked the corpus and {ju&#39;o nai} was rarely used at all, and occasio=
nally used in the sense of current {ju&#39;o cu&#39;i}.<br>
<br>
Just like old {.ainai} was completely redundant to {.ai na}, current {ju=
9;o nai} is not much different (if at all) from {ju&#39;o na}.<br>
<br>
{ju&#39;o nai} is currently a very rare word, whereas {ju&#39;o cu&#39;i} i=
s extremely common, so its length is painful (this is an actual complaint b=
y language users). With the proposed definition, we&#39;d also get a slight=
ly shorter replacement, so it would be killing two birds with one stone.<br=
></blockquote><div><br></div><div>pe&#39;i lo&#39;u ju&#39;onai li&#39;u ka=
&#39;e plixau i mu&#39;a di&#39;e</div><div><br></div><div>ju&#39;onai xu l=
o tai valsi cu se pilno</div><div>Are such words used? I&#39;m sure they ar=
e not!</div><div><br></div><div>i pe&#39;i lo&#39;u ju&#39;o xu li&#39;o na=
 co&#39;e le&#39;u na mapti va&#39;o</div><div><br>=C2=A0</div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1=
px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:=
1ex">
<br>
Any thoughts?<br>
<br>
mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i mu&#39;o<span class=3D""><font color=3D"#888888"><b=
r>
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