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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Just for your info. Considering application of Ci/uV -> Cii/uuV to fu'ivla, not only those beginning with CgV but also those in the form (C)V(g)CCgV... produce tosmabru-like problem. I picked up such fu'ivla from an xml dump dated 2015-01-08: [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: googlegroups.com] 2.7 DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL RBL: Envelope sender listed in dnsbl.ahbl.org [listed in googlegroups.com.rhsbl.ahbl.org. 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Considering application of Ci/uV -> Cii/uuV to fu'ivla,= =20 not only those beginning with CgV but also those in the form (C)V(g)CCgV...= =20 produce tosmabru-like problem. I picked up such fu'ivla from an xml dump=20 dated 2015-01-08: eskua, februa, fiakre, fiesta, kuadranta, kuaidzi, madjio, matriocka,=20 patriarko, reskuamata, restuatara, tiatro, tuitsku For example, {februa} will be {fe + bruua} by adding u. In this case, the= =20 apostrophe-method is also inapplicable because {febru'a} is in lujvo form. If we require that ii or uu should be fully within the same word, this=20 problem will not occur, though. Le jeudi 15 janvier 2015 07:21:43 UTC+9, xorxes a =C3=A9crit : > > > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Alex Burka > wrote: > >> Only within cmevla, right? Otherwise you'd be able to write "tuitsku"= =20 >> and get two words. >> > > "tuitsku" would indeed unambiguously represent two words "tu" followed by= =20 > "uitsku". That's why I said that for aesthetic reasons one could also=20 > require that the ii or uu be fully within the same word. (I should also= =20 > say that the V has to be a vowel, not a glide.) > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > On Wednesday, January 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:08 AM, And Rosta > > wrote: >> >> I suggest that be deemed, by a=20 >> general rule that I am not competent to formulate, orthographic variants= of=20 >> . >> >> >> The rule would be simple: CiiV <-> CiV; CuuV <-> CuV. >> >> One could also require for aesthetic reasons that the ii or uu be within= =20 >> a single word, although this is not strictly necessary from the point of= =20 >> view of unambiguity. >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> --=20 >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s=20 >> "BPFK" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n=20 >> email to bpfk-list+...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to bpfk...@googlegroups.com=20 >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> =20 >> =20 >> --=20 >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s=20 >> "BPFK" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n=20 >> email to bpfk-list+...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to bpfk...@googlegroups.com=20 >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. 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Just for your info. Considering application of Ci/uV ->= Cii/uuV to fu'ivla, not only those beginning with CgV but also those in th= e form (C)V(g)CCgV... produce tosmabru-like problem. I picked up such = fu'ivla from an xml dump dated 2015-01-08:

eskua, februa, fiakre, fiesta, kuadranta, kuaidzi, madjio, matriocka, pat= riarko, reskuamata, restuatara, tiatro, tuitsku

For example, {februa} will be {fe + bruua} by adding u. In this case, the= apostrophe-method is also inapplicable because {febru'a} is in lujvo form.=

If we require that ii or uu should be fully withi= n the same word, this problem will not occur, though.



Le jeudi 15 janvier 2015 07:21:43 UTC+9, xo= rxes a =C3=A9crit :


On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at = 7:15 PM, Alex Burka <abu...@seas.upenn.edu> wrote:
Only within cmevla, right? Otherwise you'd be able to w= rite "tuitsku" and get two words.

"tu= itsku" would indeed unambiguously represent two words "tu" followed by "uit= sku". That's why I said that for aesthetic reasons one could also require t= hat the ii or uu be fully  within the same word.  (I should also = say that the V has to be a vowel, not a glide.)

mu= 'o mi'e xorxes

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On Wednesday, January 14, 2015 a= t 5:14 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote:


On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:08 AM, And Rosta <and....@gmail.com> wrote:
I suggest that <tuitr, nitcion, pier, b= uenosaires> be deemed, by a general rule that I am not competent to form= ulate, orthographic variants of <tuuitr, nitciion, piier, buuenosai= res> .

The rule would be sim= ple: CiiV <-> CiV; CuuV <-> CuV.

One c= ould also require for aesthetic reasons that the ii or uu be within a singl= e word, although this is not strictly necessary from the point of view of u= nambiguity.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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