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We can easily borrow latin names anyway ({madjio} is the worst Lojbanization of a latin name i've ever seen). Not sure what to do with the others but I can see in the list above any very important concepts. ju'o they will be redefined to new words anyway over short time. > Words like this are particularly hard for many people to articulate > clearly. For example, madjio is very close to madjo, tiatro to tcatro, > and one could easily change into the other. > sei simlu > > > For example, {februa} will be {fe + bruua} by adding u. In this case, the > > apostrophe-method is also inapplicable because {febru'a} is in lujvo > form. > > No absolutely mechanical method will suffice: some of these broken fu'ivla > will have to be rebuilt. We should accept that and move on. > > > If we require that ii or uu should be fully within the same word, this > > problem will not occur, though. > > Do you mean that we should allow ii, uu only in the words ".ii" and ".uu"? > If so, I very much favor that idea. IMO they should never have been > allowed in Lojban or Loglan, as they can only be clearly articulated > using approximant allophones. > > -- > John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org > A male Jang appeared at my side. "Get a grip on yourself," he said. > "Get a grip on your graks," I suggested. --Tanith Lee, Drinking Sapphire > Wine > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BPFK" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. 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2015-01-15 19:52 GMT+03:00 <cowan@ccil.org>:
guskant scripsit:

> eskua, februa, fiakre, fiesta, kuadranta, kuaidzi, madjio, matriocka,<= br> > patriarko, reskuamata, restuatara, tiatro, tuitsku
=C2=A0
{kuadranta} replaced with {ku'adranta}.
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eskua =3D> sku'ate
For Gregorian month= s something like {jangre'i} for Jan., {febgre'i} for Feb. etc. (or = whatever suffix you invent). We can easily borrow latin names anyway ({madj= io} is the worst Lojbanization of a latin name i've ever seen).=C2=A0

Not sure what to do with the others but I can see i= n the list above any very important concepts. ju'o they will be redefin= ed to new words anyway over short time.


=


Words like this are particularly hard for many people to articulate<= br> clearly.=C2=A0 For example, madjio is very close to madjo, tiatro to tcatro= ,
and one could easily change into the other.

=
sei simlu
=C2=A0

> For example, {februa} will be {fe + bruua} by adding u. In this case, = the
> apostrophe-method is also inapplicable because {febru'a} is in luj= vo form.

No absolutely mechanical method will suffice: some of these broken f= u'ivla
will have to be rebuilt.=C2=A0 We should accept that and move on.

> If we require that ii or uu should be fully within the same word, this=
> problem will not occur, though.

Do you mean that we should allow ii, uu only in the words ".ii&= quot; and ".uu"?
If so, I very much favor that idea.=C2=A0 IMO they should never have been allowed in Lojban or Loglan, as they can only be clearly articulated
using approximant allophones.

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A male Jang appeared at my side.=C2=A0 "Get a grip on yourself,= " he said.
"Get a grip on your graks," I suggested.=C2=A0 --Tanith Lee, Drin= king Sapphire
Wine


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