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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 17:17:51 -0500
Subject: Re: [bpfk] Month Names (WAS: official cmavo form)
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 Content preview:  > Most likely he used Italian simply because the Latin for
    "May" namely > "maius/maio-" is insufficiently crunchy for brivla. IMO Latin
    would > be the right language to Lojbanize here. But, it seems impossible
    to > import the full Latin month names recognizably into fu'ivla space. So
    > maybe the suffix idea is the way to go... > > janmese febmese marmese prilmese
    magmese junmese julmese .augmese > sep(te)mese .ok(to)mese dekmese [...] 
 
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> Most likely he used Italian simply because the Latin for "May" namely
> "maius/maio-" is insufficiently crunchy for brivla.  IMO Latin would
> be the right language to Lojbanize here. But, it seems impossible to
> import the full Latin month names recognizably into fu'ivla space.  So
> maybe the suffix idea is the way to go...
>
> janmese febmese marmese prilmese magmese junmese julmese .augmese
> sep(te)mese .ok(to)mese dekmese

I think these are okay, but simple lujvo for "first month, second month,
... twelfth month" works for me too.  The Latin names are by no means
universal even in Europe:  see
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_calendar>, used in some Eastern
European countries (though not consistently) to give names to Gregorian
months.  Romanian uses forms that, while Latin in origin, no longer
resemble the international names.

Of course, if it weren't for the Norman Conquest, the English names
would be Afteryule, So(l)math, Rethe, Astron, Thrimidge, Forelithe,
Afterlithe, We(d)math, Halimath, Winterfilth, Blo(t)math, and Foreyule.
Yule was Midwinter's Day and Lithe was Midsummer's Day.  Winterfilth
refers to the filling or completion of the year before winter.
The other names mean mud-, rough-, Easter-, three-milk-, weed-, holy-,
and sacrifice-month respectively, some with a suffix meaning 'month'
and some not.

-- 
John Cowan          http://www.ccil.org/~cowan        cowan@ccil.org
I amar prestar aen, han mathon ne nen,    http://www.ccil.org/~cowan
han mathon ne chae, a han noston ne 'wilith.  --Galadriel, LOTR:FOTR


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