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    wrote: > > > 2015-01-17 0:59 GMT+03:00 Mike S. <maikxlx@gmail.com>: >> >>
    .janu'ári'us. .febru'ári'us. .márti'us. .aprílis. .máius. (ja .május.)
    >> .júni'us. .júli'us. .augústus. .septémber. .október. .novémber.
   >> .decémber. > > > How would you say "Every February" using these? [...]
    
 
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On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 1:00 AM, Gleki Arxokuna
<gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> 2015-01-17 0:59 GMT+03:00 Mike S. <maikxlx@gmail.com>:
>>
>> .janu'=C3=A1ri'us. .febru'=C3=A1ri'us. .m=C3=A1rti'us. .apr=C3=ADlis. .m=
=C3=A1ius. (ja .m=C3=A1jus.)
>> .j=C3=BAni'us. .j=C3=BAli'us. .aug=C3=BAstus. .sept=C3=A9mber. .okt=C3=
=B3ber. .nov=C3=A9mber.
>> .dec=C3=A9mber.
>
>
> How would you say "Every February" using these?

{[ca] ro la .febru'=C3=A1ri'us.}


>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Gleki Arxokuna
>> <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > 2015-01-16 16:47 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:
>> >>
>> >> "madjio" is from Italian.
>> >
>> >
>> > And that's what I don't like. I suppose names should follow some syste=
m,
>> > not
>> > be arbitrarily taken from different languages within one set of words
>> > (then
>> > why not Lojbanize Italian "gennaio" and so on?).
>>
>> Most likely he used Italian simply because the Latin for "May" namely
>> "maius/maio-" is insufficiently crunchy for brivla.  IMO Latin would
>> be the right language to Lojbanize here. But, it seems impossible to
>> import the full Latin month names recognizably into fu'ivla space.  So
>> maybe the suffix idea is the way to go...
>>
>> janmese febmese marmese prilmese magmese junmese julmese
>
>
> ke'u, jun- and jul- are too close and can be easily mixed together.

Do you find {lo} and {no} to be easy to mix together too, or is the
issue specifically [n]/[l] after a vowel?  The Romans and the heirs of
their language had no problem with this, mind you; Junius/Julius are
pronounced exactly the same way in all forms except for the one
segment in question.  By the way, this concerns a third set of
Lojbanic month names; I was thinking that the main purpose of having
this set at all was to match the Latinate forms as much as possible;
otherwise, what's the point.  My revised suggestion:

janvari febvari martime prilme magjome junxame julzeme .avgusto
septebe .oktobe novmebe dekmere

IMHO these work as recognizable loans (barely) if you squint a bit (or
a lot), but I still prefer the relative fidelity of cmene form,
especially if cmevla and brivla are intended to be syntactically
merged some day.

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