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(ja .m=C3=A1jus.) > >> .j=C3=BAni'us. .j=C3=BAli'us. .aug=C3=BAstus. .sept=C3=A9mber. .okt=C3= =B3ber. .nov=C3=A9mber. > >> .dec=C3=A9mber. > > > > > > How would you say "Every February" using these? > > {[ca] ro la .febru'=C3=A1ri'us.} > nalkemgendra > > > >> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Gleki Arxokuna > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > 2015-01-16 16:47 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : > >> >> > >> >> "madjio" is from Italian. > >> > > >> > > >> > And that's what I don't like. I suppose names should follow some > system, > >> > not > >> > be arbitrarily taken from different languages within one set of word= s > >> > (then > >> > why not Lojbanize Italian "gennaio" and so on?). > >> > >> Most likely he used Italian simply because the Latin for "May" namely > >> "maius/maio-" is insufficiently crunchy for brivla. IMO Latin would > >> be the right language to Lojbanize here. But, it seems impossible to > >> import the full Latin month names recognizably into fu'ivla space. So > >> maybe the suffix idea is the way to go... > >> > >> janmese febmese marmese prilmese magmese junmese julmese > > > > > > ke'u, jun- and jul- are too close and can be easily mixed together. > > Do you find {lo} and {no} to be easy to mix together too, or is the > issue specifically [n]/[l] after a vowel? The Romans and the heirs of > their language had no problem with this, mind you; Junius/Julius are > pronounced exactly the same way in all forms except for the one > segment in question. By the way, this concerns a third set of > Lojbanic month names; I was thinking that the main purpose of having > this set at all was to match the Latinate forms as much as possible; > otherwise, what's the point. My revised suggestion: > > janvari febvari martime prilme magjome junxame julzeme .avgusto > septebe .oktobe novmebe dekmere > > IMHO these work as recognizable loans (barely) if you squint a bit (or > a lot), but I still prefer the relative fidelity of cmene form, > especially if cmevla and brivla are intended to be syntactically > merged some day. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BPFK" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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2015-01-17 15:27 GMT+03:00 Mike S. <maikxlx@gmail.com>:<= br>
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at = 1:00 AM, Gleki Arxokuna
<gleki.is.my.name@gmail.co= m> wrote:
>
>
> 2015-01-17 0:59 GMT+03:00 Mike S. <maikxlx@gmail.com>:
>>
>> .janu'=C3=A1ri'us. .febru'=C3= =A1ri'us. .m=C3=A1rti'us. .apr=C3=ADlis. .m=C3=A1ius. (ja .m=C3=A1j= us.)
>> .j=C3=BAni'us. .j=C3=BAli'us. .aug=C3=BAstus. .sept=C3=A9m= ber. .okt=C3=B3ber. .nov=C3=A9mber.
>> .dec=C3=A9mber.
>
>
> How would you say "Every February" using these?

{[ca] ro la .febru'=C3=A1ri'us.}

nalkemgendra
=C2=A0


>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Gleki Arxokuna
>> <gleki.is.my.name= @gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > 2015-01-16 16:47 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:
>> >>
>> >> "madjio" is from Italian.
>> >
>> >
>> > And that's what I don't like. I suppose names should = follow some system,
>> > not
>> > be arbitrarily taken from different languages within one set = of words
>> > (then
>> > why not Lojbanize Italian "gennaio" and so on?). >>
>> Most likely he used Italian simply because the Latin for "May= " namely
>> "maius/maio-" is insufficiently crunchy for brivla.=C2= =A0 IMO Latin would
>> be the right language to Lojbanize here. But, it seems impossible = to
>> import the full Latin month names recognizably into fu'ivla sp= ace.=C2=A0 So
>> maybe the suffix idea is the way to go...
>>
>> janmese febmese marmese prilmese magmese junmese julmese
>
>
> ke'u, jun- and jul- are too close and can be easily mixed together= .

Do you find {lo} and {no} to be easy to mix together too, or is the<= br> issue specifically [n]/[l] after a vowel?=C2=A0 The Romans and the heirs of=
their language had no problem with this, mind you; Junius/Julius are
pronounced exactly the same way in all forms except for the one
segment in question.=C2=A0 By the way, this concerns a third set of
Lojbanic month names; I was thinking that the main purpose of having
this set at all was to match the Latinate forms as much as possible;
otherwise, what's the point.=C2=A0 My revised suggestion:

janvari febvari martime prilme magjome junxame julzeme .avgusto
septebe .oktobe novmebe dekmere

IMHO these work as recognizable loans (barely) if you squint a bit (or
a lot), but I still prefer the relative fidelity of cmene form,
especially if cmevla and brivla are intended to be syntactically
merged some day.

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