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    presense of [z] in Lojban. Mandarin doesn't have it/has it as an allophone
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Today I was reminded of one "flaw" in phonology namely, the presense of [z]
in Lojban.

Mandarin doesn't have it/has it as an allophone of t=CD=A1s.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_w-c7yM6beFUc_G-XCSLlRfrCewhQosFdQuPD1D=
whuU/edit?usp=3Ddrive_web

So my question is: what would be the minimally destroying changes to remove
[z] from the language or to remove {dz} instead so that Mandarin speakers
can use t=CD=A1s to mean [z]. I know that replacing "voiced/voiceless"
distinction with "non-aspirated-semi-voiced/aspirated-voiceless" might not
be embraced easily but since Chinese is one of the source languages may be
something could be done to make their life happier?

I suppose to do that one needs to always insert buffer between {dz}, never
pronounce {dz} as an affricate and may be even always insert {y} in
{radzu'e}.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Today I was reminded of one &quot;flaw&quot; in phonology =
namely, the presense of [z] in Lojban.<div><br></div><div>Mandarin doesn=
9;t have it/has it as an allophone of=C2=A0t=CD=A1s.</div><div><br></div><d=
iv><a href=3D"https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_w-c7yM6beFUc_G-XCSLlRfrC=
ewhQosFdQuPD1DwhuU/edit?usp=3Ddrive_web">https://docs.google.com/document/d=
/1_w-c7yM6beFUc_G-XCSLlRfrCewhQosFdQuPD1DwhuU/edit?usp=3Ddrive_web</a><br><=
/div><div><br></div><div>So my question is: what would be the minimally des=
troying changes to remove [z] from the language or to remove {dz} instead s=
o that Mandarin speakers can use=C2=A0t=CD=A1s to mean [z]. I know that rep=
lacing &quot;voiced/voiceless&quot; distinction with &quot;non-aspirated-se=
mi-voiced/aspirated-voiceless&quot; might not be embraced easily but since =
Chinese is one of the source languages may be something could be done to ma=
ke their life happier?</div><div><br></div><div>I suppose to do that one ne=
eds to always insert buffer between {dz}, never pronounce {dz} as an affric=
ate and may be even always insert {y} in {radzu&#39;e}.=C2=A0</div><div><br=
></div></div>

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