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Subject: Re: [bpfk] Month Names (WAS: official cmavo form)
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 Content preview:  I think {PA-masti} or {PA-ma'i} type lujvo or the derived
   fu'ivla are not very suitable for January, February etc., because the latters
    are rather related to {detri} or {detke'u}, a position on a calendar, while
    {masti} means a duration according to a calendar system. In other words,
   {la'o zoi January zoi la'o zoi March zoi dunli lo ka masti li pa la gregoris}.
    Any lujvo constructed from {masti se detri be li pa} would be suitable, but
    it seems too long for frequent use. So I've just created a series of zi'evla
    for month names in la jbovlaste. Vote up or down as you like. [...] 
 
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I think {PA-masti} or {PA-ma'i} type lujvo or the derived fu'ivla are not 
very suitable for January, February etc., because the latters are rather 
related to {detri} or {detke'u}, a position on a calendar, while {masti} 
means a duration according to a calendar system. In other words, {la'o zoi 
January zoi la'o zoi March zoi dunli lo ka masti li pa la gregoris}. Any 
lujvo constructed from {masti se detri be li pa} would be suitable, but it 
seems too long for frequent use. So I've just created a series of zi'evla 
for month names in la jbovlaste. Vote up or down as you like.

zi'evla created:
masnpa masnre masnci masnvo masnmu masnxa masnze masnbi masnso masndau 
masnfei masngai masnjau masnrei (ja masnxei) masnvai 
(URLs of the entries are listed below.)

Officially, {mas-n-re} and {mas-n-rei} are considered to be stage-3 
fu'ivla, and they have the same problem as {PA-masti}/{PA-ma'i} type lujvo, 
that {malsi} (not even {masti}) should form the main place structure. 
Actually, only {masnre} and {masnrei} have the form of stage-3 fu'ivla 
among the above mentioned zi'evla. The others are in stage-4 form which 
produces no similar problem. If I used 'l'-hyphen instead of 'n', they 
would have been all in stage-4 form, but I prefer 'snr'-string that is 
easier to pronounce than 'slr'. 

{masn[PA]} is defined as follows:

$x_1$ se detri li [PA] noi sinxa lo [PA] moi be lu'i ro da poi masti li pa 
gi'e pagbu $x_2$ noi nanca li pa lu'u ku'o $x_3$ boi $x_4$

$x_1$ (event/state) is in the [PA-th month/...] of a year $x_2$ at location 
$x_3$, by calendar $x_4$.

{masnjau} may mean Undecimber in 46 BC ( 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_calendar#Realignment_of_the_year ), 
Adar II on the Hebrew calendar or the intercalary month on any lunisolar 
calendar. 
{masnrei} (ja {masnxei}) may mean Duodecimber in 46 BC.
{masnvai} was created just for consistency.

examples:
lo cabna cu masnci lo nanca noi se detri li renopamu ku'o mi la gregoris
i
da masnjau lo nanca noi se detri lo muzezevo ku'o zo'e lo xebro
i
lo detke'u be lo nunmro be la gandis noi banli cu masnpa


What in the case that the thirteenth month is inserted between for example 
the sixth and the seventh? I'm not sure, the lojban translation may depend 
on $x_4$, say {1,2,3,4,5,6,13,7,8,9,10,11,12} or 
{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13}, both are possible.

On another planet, we might need the 16th or higher month, then just create 
{masnpaxa} and so on.

For the same reason, {PA-dei} type lujvo seem not to be very suitable for 
Monday, Tuesday etc., though I have not yet inserted the corresponding 
zi'evla into la jbovlaste.

If some of you agree to my idea, I will create similar zi'evla in the 
following form:
{jednpa} for "the first day of a week",
{jefnpa} for "the first week of a month",
{detnpa} for "the first day of a month", etc. 


ni'o
URLs of the entries of month names:
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masnpa
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masnre
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masnci
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masnvo
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masnmu
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masnxa
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masnze
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masnbi
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masnso
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masndau
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masnfei
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masngai
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masnjau
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masnrei
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masnxei
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masnvai

mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I think {PA-masti} or {PA-ma'i} type lujvo or the der=
ived fu'ivla are not very suitable for January, February etc., because the =
latters are rather related to {detri} or {detke'u}, a position on a calenda=
r, while {masti} means a duration according to a calendar system. In other =
words, {la'o zoi January zoi la'o zoi March zoi dunli lo ka masti li pa la =
gregoris}. Any lujvo constructed from {masti se detri be li pa} would be su=
itable, but it seems too long for frequent use. So I've just created a seri=
es of zi'evla for month names in la jbovlaste. Vote up or down as you like.=
</div><div><br></div><div>zi'evla created:</div><div>masnpa masnre masnci m=
asnvo masnmu masnxa masnze masnbi masnso masndau masnfei masngai masnjau ma=
snrei (ja masnxei) masnvai&nbsp;</div><div>(URLs of the entries are listed =
below.)</div><div><br></div><div>Officially, {mas-n-re} and {mas-n-rei} are=
 considered to be stage-3 fu'ivla, and they have the same problem as {PA-ma=
sti}/{PA-ma'i} type lujvo, that {malsi} (not even {masti}) should form the =
main place structure. Actually, only {masnre} and {masnrei} have the form o=
f stage-3 fu'ivla among the above mentioned zi'evla. The others are in stag=
e-4 form which produces no similar problem. If I used 'l'-hyphen instead of=
 'n', they would have been all in stage-4 form, but I prefer 'snr'-string t=
hat is easier to pronounce than 'slr'.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>{masn=
[PA]} is defined as follows:</div><div><br></div><div>$x_1$ se detri li [PA=
] noi sinxa lo [PA] moi be lu'i ro da poi masti li pa gi'e pagbu $x_2$ noi =
nanca li pa lu'u ku'o $x_3$ boi $x_4$</div><div><br></div><div>$x_1$ (event=
/state) is in the [PA-th month/...] of a year $x_2$ at location $x_3$, by c=
alendar $x_4$.</div><div><br></div><div>{masnjau} may mean Undecimber in 46=
 BC ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_calendar#Realignment_of_the_year =
), Adar II on the Hebrew calendar or the intercalary month on any lunisolar=
 calendar.&nbsp;</div><div>{masnrei} (ja {masnxei}) may mean Duodecimber in=
 46 BC.</div><div>{masnvai} was created just for consistency.</div><div><br=
></div><div>examples:</div><div>lo cabna cu masnci lo nanca noi se detri li=
 renopamu ku'o mi la gregoris</div><div>i</div><div>da masnjau lo nanca noi=
 se detri lo muzezevo ku'o zo'e lo xebro</div><div>i</div><div>lo detke'u b=
e lo nunmro be la gandis noi banli cu masnpa</div><div><br></div><div><br><=
/div><div>What in the case that the thirteenth month is inserted between fo=
r example the sixth and the seventh? I'm not sure, the lojban translation m=
ay depend on $x_4$, say {1,2,3,4,5,6,13,7,8,9,10,11,12} or {1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8=
,9,10,11,12,13}, both are possible.</div><div><br></div><div>On another pla=
net, we might need the 16th or higher month, then just create {masnpaxa} an=
d so on.</div><div><br></div><div>For the same reason, {PA-dei} type lujvo =
seem not to be very suitable for Monday, Tuesday etc., though I have not ye=
t inserted the corresponding zi'evla into la jbovlaste.</div><div><br></div=
><div>If some of you agree to my idea, I will create similar zi'evla in the=
 following form:</div><div>{jednpa} for "the first day of a week",</div><di=
v>{jefnpa} for "the first week of a month",</div><div>{detnpa} for "the fir=
st day of a month", etc.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>ni'o=
</div><div>URLs of the entries of month names:</div><div>http://jbovlaste.l=
ojban.org/dict/masnpa</div><div>http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masnre</di=
v><div>http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masnci</div><div>http://jbovlaste.l=
ojban.org/dict/masnvo</div><div>http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masnmu</di=
v><div>http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masnxa</div><div>http://jbovlaste.l=
ojban.org/dict/masnze</div><div>http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masnbi</di=
v><div>http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masnso</div><div>http://jbovlaste.l=
ojban.org/dict/masndau</div><div>http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masnfei</=
div><div>http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masngai</div><div>http://jbovlast=
e.lojban.org/dict/masnjau</div><div>http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masnre=
i</div><div>http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/masnxei</div><div>http://jbovl=
aste.lojban.org/dict/masnvai</div><div><br></div><div>mu'o</div><div><br></=
div></div>

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