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[2a00:1450:400c:c00::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p4si341524wiz.0.2015.03.28.11.12.36 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 28 Mar 2015 11:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::235; Received: by mail-wg0-x235.google.com with SMTP id dm7so24097901wgb.1 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 11:12:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.94.164 with SMTP id dd4mr49050971wjb.56.1427566355971; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 11:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.86.219 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 11:12:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 15:12:35 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] Improvements to fragments in ilmentufa parser From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb041028a83bf05125d31b0 X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 9069 --047d7bb041028a83bf05125d31b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > 2015-03-28 1:21 GMT+03:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : > >> >> A presentation of the grammar without the javascript would make it much >> more readable for me. >> > > You mean you don't like those "expr:(" ? > I don't, I can't very easily read the grammar with those in. I understand how it's useful to have the parser give labeled outputs, but it's also useful to have a clean version of the grammar to look at. I suppose there must be some tool that can strip all the javascript and present the grammar in pure form, but I wouldn't know how to find it or how hard it would be to make one. > For me it's a very minor issue. A larger one might be if you don't have a= n > opportunity to input a peg and test sentences and get output anytime you > want. E.g. if you can't install something you may ask Robin to give you > access to la vrici server and then using tty.js get web access to ssh and > then node.js and camxes.js. Let me know of any difficulties. > First I'd need to learn what "tty.js", "ssh", "node.js" and "camxes.js" mean. Remember that I'm not a computer scientist. Well, really you need to tell me javascript litter really stops you from > working on PEG. Tastes differ, if it stops you I'll think what can be don= e. > na fanta gi'e ja'a zunti Connectives as replies to {ji} questions are interesting. I suppose current > camxes.js could be cured to support that. Do you have an algorithm in mi= nd > on how to restore such sentences? Obviously {zo'e je zo'e cu co'e} is not= a > good restoration. I'd like copying sentences with {ji} and replacing {ji} > with connectives. This also requires working with {go'i}. > > - do ji mi nelci > - e =3D > do e mi nelci > > - xu do nelci > - go'i =3D> mi nelci > > A: - mi nelci > B: - go'i ra'o =3D> {mi nelci} or {by nelci} or {by cusku lo se du'u by. > nelci} > > Any other test sentences? > But this is all done outside of PEG, right? It's about handling multiple inputs to PEG, and modifying the output from one, based on the output from another, if I understand correctly. You also have to consider which "ji" can be replaced and which can't, for example if it's inside a quote, or what happens when more than one (or no) "ji" is present. All interesting questions, but not directly related to the the PEG, I think. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --047d7bb041028a83bf05125d31b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name= @gmail.com> wrote:
2015-03-28 1:= 21 GMT+03:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:<= br>

A presentation of the grammar without the javascript would make= it much more readable for me.
You mean you don't like those "expr:(" ? <= /div>

I don't, I can&= #39;t very easily read the grammar with those in. I understand how it's= useful to have the parser give labeled outputs, but it's also useful t= o have a clean version of the grammar to look at. I suppose there must be s= ome tool that can strip all the javascript and present the grammar in pure = form, but I wouldn't know how to find it or how hard it would be to mak= e one.
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For me it's a very min= or issue. A larger one might be if you don't have an opportunity to inp= ut a peg and test sentences and get output anytime you want. E.g. if you ca= n't install something you may ask Robin to give you access to la vrici = server and then using tty.js get web access to ssh and then node.js and cam= xes.js. Let me know of any difficulties.

First I'd need to learn what "tty.js", = "ssh", "node.js" and "camxes.js" mean. Rememb= er that I'm not a computer scientist.

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Well, really you need to tell me javascript litter really stops you fr= om working on PEG. Tastes differ, if it stops you I'll think what can b= e done.

na fanta gi= 'e ja'a zunti

Connectives as = replies to {ji} questions are interesting. I suppose current camxes.js coul= d be cured =C2=A0to support that. Do you have an algorithm in mind on how t= o restore such sentences? Obviously {zo'e je zo'e cu co'e} is n= ot a good restoration. I'd like copying sentences with {ji} and replaci= ng {ji} with connectives. This also requires working with {go'i}.
=

- do ji mi nelci
- e =3D > do e mi nelci

- xu do nelci
- go'i =3D> mi nelci=

A: - mi nelci
B: - go'i ra'o = =3D> {mi nelci} or {by nelci} or {by cusku lo se du'u by. nelci}

Any other test sentences?=C2=A0

But this is all done outside of PEG, rig= ht? It's about handling multiple inputs to PEG, and modifying the outpu= t from one, based on the output from another, if I understand correctly. Yo= u also have to consider which "ji" can be replaced and which can&= #39;t, for example if it's inside a quote, or what happens when more th= an one (or no) "ji" is present. All interesting questions, but no= t directly related to the the PEG, I think.

mu'= ;o mi'e xorxes

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