Received: from mail-pa0-f64.google.com ([209.85.220.64]:34256) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YdVo5-0004dV-CK; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 20:28:44 -0700 Received: by pablf10 with SMTP id lf10sf24526583pab.1; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 20:28:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=z8mIFankP1xx81nL34lXKAj1ONfXhvZkzJN3hVf94Hg=; b=zC4LoyZaL6oGqin8vkyl4VAV2UINuNzAVLgRsx1rG1R4yjKTuW6/h0VrjBXfcaQJWC zTzH+tNED4DfV+1Dze/S3NjLocv8SHC4Ac18Bwi9iejbTCJKB0wkZDc6z/nWwsKUpw45 nTivvTjzurcKhsRLJ48VqWFKPe3fSsaM3YTzatEthAk77tE0zN7WRMc7DbvVb4qVBh0D WyFWPDWd+pN47JzdNV/CbfktfQOt8vEQNZNiCk/vc6yiis1F8gJtr/zLOUrwjmNkGj9Q SjrOX09iqQpFDeA7oYHGzErD2MIFNh1yUbUnZkYJ9E/fLpmf9rfeuQeTdTNoKtfQQMib yL8g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=z8mIFankP1xx81nL34lXKAj1ONfXhvZkzJN3hVf94Hg=; b=mcWO8V3e+dmIrB+y527eOXB4TvbsXV7qrVJKMg9sFTJeWuxYh+HZeGtmV5UP+1KKUr hMAdlkS9Da2Hn2Wk+E+ZIL8hpLoUApbrT4vi01Oo5YYzJjAYpXnBUxZr7mvgSHdFy79l gBoavqHMz4Ls50CFfhZH41s9IuFEhjW/h5Wpm/6tA1Ao4XberQTEn00ANlPqp5bgEOhC RWZ4VmNoWoWI7KSowr+gzlzVl8kFcWlk5BaX7Lg/krKhdRoF1DU469387l1DuGkWvtDM qeVo3pTfZN+fSY1FSKVR4Uvrj6nnD1BCVs3xPJnO6JQe+S7jenJ7QigBsC677yUXgegM 7OfA== X-Received: by 10.50.49.2 with SMTP id q2mr289762ign.12.1427945310855; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 20:28:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.107.137.214 with SMTP id t83ls277208ioi.81.gmail; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 20:28:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.143.33 with SMTP id sb1mr286723igb.13.1427945310698; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 20:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 20:28:29 -0700 (PDT) From: guskant To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <18dc465b-e285-4721-a84a-389b2d5f10c6@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1542A73D520E49BDB44789AB54497FDC@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [bpfk] selma'o ZEhEI and PEG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_9024_1212522467.1427945309161" X-Original-Sender: gusni.kantu@gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 4334 ------=_Part_9024_1212522467.1427945309161 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9025_1392776486.1427945309161" ------=_Part_9025_1392776486.1427945309161 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I tried to create a draft for new definition of {ze'ei} of MAI. Definition: Change the meaning of the first word within the semantic span of ze'ei-cluster, without changing syntactic role of the word. The new meaning of the word is the same as the word followed by {bu} forming the ze'ei-cluster. Notes: Usually, ze'ei-cluster has a form "X bu ze'ei", where X is any lojban word other than the words of selma'o ZO or FAhO. A ze'ei-cluster is usually put at the beginning of the definition of a word, and the semantic span is the whole line of the definition. Just like definitions of most cmavo, the definitions by ze'ei are not to be used to expand the defined word appearing in a statement, because such a substitution will change the span of ze'ei-cluster. example of usage: zo'e bu ze'ei pa However, in considering the definitions of cmavo using {ze'ei}, I am inclined to make it of selma'o {GOI} rather than {MAI}. It is because definitions like {iu bu ze'ei ku} are not grammatical. There are many cmavo that cannot stand alone. Those cmavo should be defined with a statement, not with an expanded form of the defined cmavo. Using {ze'ei} of GOI, the definition of {xo'e} will be: zo pa ze'ei zo zo'e mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_9025_1392776486.1427945309161 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I tried to create a draft for new defi= nition of {ze'ei} of MAI.

Definition:
Ch= ange the meaning of the first word within the semantic span of ze'ei-cluste= r, without changing syntactic role of the word. The new meaning of the word= is the same as the word followed by {bu} forming the ze'ei-cluster.
<= div>
Notes:
Usually, ze'ei-cluster has a form "X bu= ze'ei", where X is any lojban word other than the words of selma'o ZO or F= AhO. A ze'ei-cluster is usually put at the beginning of the definition of a= word, and the semantic span is the whole line of the definition. Just like= definitions of most cmavo, the definitions by ze'ei are not to be used to = expand the defined word appearing in a statement, because such a substituti= on will change the span of ze'ei-cluster.

example = of usage:
zo'e bu ze'ei pa 


However, in considering the definitions of cmavo using {ze'ei}, I a= m inclined to make it of selma'o {GOI} rather than {MAI}.
It is b= ecause definitions like {iu bu ze'ei ku} are not grammatical. There are man= y cmavo that cannot stand alone. Those cmavo should be defined with a state= ment, not with an expanded form of the defined cmavo.

<= div>Using {ze'ei} of GOI, the definition of {xo'e} will be:

<= /div>
zo pa ze'ei zo zo'e


mu'o<= /div>

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