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[2a00:1450:400c:c00::22e]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ec7si549118wib.3.2015.04.07.23.09.17 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 07 Apr 2015 23:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22e as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::22e; Received: by mail-wg0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id k9so54457517wgs.3 for ; Tue, 07 Apr 2015 23:09:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.75.168 with SMTP id d8mr47580246wjw.87.1428473357491; Tue, 07 Apr 2015 23:09:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.240.197 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Apr 2015 23:08:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 09:08:57 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] Proposal: sumti must always be tagged with "tag" even if it's elidible. 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No "FA >>> joik_ek sumti_3" to go with it? >>> >> ... >> Thus FA is a tense modal now. >> > > I see. What about the first question, how do we interpret "bai .e do"? I= s > it "bai [zo'e] .e do"? > I refrain from any opinions here. > > > "NA_clause KU_clause" seems unnecessary, since it doesn't capture >>> anything that wouldn't be captured by "!selbri !gek_sentence !ek !joik_= jek >>> !gihek NA_clause KU_elidible" does it? Same goes for the first "sumti",= it >>> doesn't catch anything that wouldn't be caught by the second one. >>> >> >> Which two sumti ? In front of tag and then in front of FA_elidible? >> > > Yes (do you really think of the right side of a rule as the "front"?) > > The first "sumti" is not needed, just as the "NA_clause KU_clause". 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2015-04-08 2:30 GMT+03:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com= >:

On Tue,= Apr 7, 2015 at 3:21 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.c= om> wrote:
2015-04-= 07 1:52 GMT+03:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:

=C2=A0abs_tag_= term =3D=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0!gek tag !selbri !gek_sentence (sumti= / joik_ek sumti_3 / KU_elidible)
=C2=A0/ !gek (tag / FA_elidible= ) !selbri !gek_sentence sumti
=C2=A0/ !gek sumti CO_clause tag
=C2=A0/ NA_clause KU_clause
=C2=A0/ !selbri !gek_sentence= !ek !joik_jek !gihek NA_clause KU_elidible
=C2=A0/ SOI_clause su= bsentence=C2=A0

=
Can you give some motivation for the "tag joik_ek su= mti_3" term? No "FA joik_ek sumti_3" to go with it?
...
Thus FA is a tense modal now.

I see. What about the first question, how do we interp= ret "bai .e do"?=C2=A0 Is it "bai [zo'e] .e do"?

I refrain from any op= inions here.
=C2=A0


= =C2=A0"NA_clause KU_clause" seems unnecessary, since it doesn'= ;t capture anything that wouldn't be captured by "!selbri !gek_sen= tence !ek !joik_jek !gihek NA_clause KU_elidible" does it? Same goes f= or the first "sumti", it doesn't catch anything that wouldn&#= 39;t be caught by the second one.
=
Which two sumti ? In front of tag and then in front o= f FA_elidible?=C2=A0

Yes (do you really think of the right side of a rule as the "= front"?) =C2=A0

The first "sumti" i= s not needed, just as the "NA_clause KU_clause". They don't c= ontribute anything.
=C2=A0
mu'o mi= 'e xorxes

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