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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 20:18:10 -0300
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Subject: Re: [bpfk] Proposal: sumti must always be tagged with "tag" even if
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On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com> wrote:

Standard Camxes.js: ([mi CU] [{ba brode} VAU] [gi'e {<pu brodo> VAU} VAU])
>

Neither this: http://www.lojban.org/camxes/
nor this:
http://users.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/lojban/grammar/lojban.peg.txt
seem to agree with that, so I suppose those are older versions of standard
camxes.

But I'm glad the new standard has "tag !selbri KU?".

(BTW, "ge ca (ku) gi ba (ku) klama" seems to be failing if we elide the
> first "ku".)
>
>  Maybe it's better to just make the KU of "tag KU" not elidible in those
> three special contexts (are there more?).
>
> Yeah, I've noticed this flaw a few days ago. I'm not sure whether this can
> be fixed.
>

 I guess it's because "ca gi" wants to be a gek, so "ge ca gi" is like "ge
ge".

In order to "fix" it (if we grant it needs to be fixed, which I'm not sure
we should) we may need to change the "stag gik" rule in "gek" to something
like "stag gik &gek_tail", with

gek_tail = subsentence gik subsentence / sumti gik sumti_4 / ...

with all the possible uses of a "true gek". But I don't think we want to do
that.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Ilmen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;bo=
rder-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">Standard Camxes.js: ([mi CU] [{=
ba brode} VAU] [gi&#39;e {&lt;pu
    brodo&gt; VAU} VAU]) <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Neither=
 this: <a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/camxes/" target=3D"_blank">http://w=
ww.lojban.org/camxes/</a><br></div><div>nor this: <a href=3D"http://users.d=
igitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/lojban/grammar/lojban.peg.txt" target=
=3D"_blank">http://users.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/lojban/gramma=
r/lojban.peg.txt</a><br></div><div>seem to agree with that, so I suppose th=
ose are older versions of standard camxes.<br></div><div><br></div><div>But=
 I&#39;m glad the new standard has &quot;tag !selbri KU?&quot;.</div><div><=
br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-styl=
e:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><span><=
blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote">
            <div>(BTW, &quot;ge ca (ku) gi ba (ku) klama&quot; seems to be =
failing
              if we elide the first &quot;ku&quot;.)<br>
            </div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Maybe it&#39;s better to just make the KU of &quot;tag KU&=
quot; not
              elidible in those three special contexts (are there
              more?).</div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote></span>
    Yeah, I&#39;ve noticed this flaw a few days ago. I&#39;m not sure wheth=
er
    this can be fixed.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0I guess =
it&#39;s because &quot;ca gi&quot; wants to be a gek, so &quot;ge ca gi&quo=
t; is like &quot;ge ge&quot;.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>In order to &q=
uot;fix&quot; it (if we grant it needs to be fixed, which I&#39;m not sure =
we should) we may need to change the &quot;stag gik&quot; rule in &quot;gek=
&quot; to something like &quot;stag gik &amp;gek_tail&quot;, with</div><div=
><br></div><div>gek_tail =3D subsentence gik subsentence / sumti gik sumti_=
4 / ...</div><div><br></div><div>with all the possible uses of a &quot;true=
 gek&quot;. But I don&#39;t think we want to do that.</div><div><br></div><=
div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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