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[2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g5si141175wix.1.2015.04.01.23.05.52 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Apr 2015 23:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b; Received: by mail-wg0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id dm7so74626134wgb.1 for ; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 23:05:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.159.105 with SMTP id xb9mr91095683wjb.156.1427954752730; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 23:05:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.240.197 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 23:05:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1542A73D520E49BDB44789AB54497FDC@gmail.com> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 09:05:32 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] selma'o ZEhEI and PEG To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3aa58cabac50512b79ff8 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 7410 --001a11c3aa58cabac50512b79ff8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2015-04-02 3:51 GMT+03:00 guskant : > > > Le jeudi 2 avril 2015 07:52:00 UTC+9, xorxes a =C3=A9crit : >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 6:51 PM, guskant wrote: >> >>> >>> If you don't mind changing the order of words around {ze'ei}, we could >>> modify the definition of {ze'ei} of MAI so that the usage should be "X = Y bu >>> ze'ei". So the definition of {xo'e} will be as you said: >>> >>> pa zo'e bu ze'ei >>> >> >> Notice though that "pa zo'e bu" is a number, so "pa zo'e bu ze'ei" with >> "ze'ei" in MAI, would be a free modifier, not a digit. >> >> (I think PA and lerfu should not mix together to form >> numbers/lerfu-strings, but that's a different discussion.) >> >> > ua lu > pa boi zo'e bu ze'ei > li'u > drani .ei > > Other selma'o that couldn't be extended by this method, besides PA, would >> be ZO, LOhU, ZOI, ZEI, BY, BU, UI, tags, and maybe a few others. That's >> because free modifiers are not all that free. >> > > > ie > In order to apply {ze'ei} to those cmavo, keeping {zo'e bu ze'ei pa} form > seems better, permitting the difference between semantics and syntax. > Actually, {ze'ei} is used only for definitions of experimental cmavo > I tried to use it for {panpi ze'ei coi} :) although imo we shouldn't necessarily stick to the usage. , and it means that {X bu ze'ei} cluster is always put at the beginning of > statement or fragment. Such {X bu ze'ei} cluster then can be naturally > regarded as covering the whole line of definition. 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2015-04-02 3:51 GMT+03:00 guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com>:


Le jeudi = 2 avril 2015 07:52:00 UTC+9, xorxes a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:


On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 6:51 PM, guskant <gusni...@gmail.com> wrote:

=C2= =A0If you don't mind changing the order of words around {ze'ei}, we= could modify the definition of {ze'ei} of MAI so that the usage should= be "X Y bu ze'ei". So the definition of {xo'e} will be a= s you said:=C2=A0

pa zo'e bu ze'ei

Notice though that "pa zo&= #39;e bu" is a number, so "pa zo'e bu ze'ei" with &q= uot;ze'ei" in MAI, would be a free modifier, not a digit.

(I think PA and lerfu should not mix together to form numb= ers/lerfu-strings, but that's a different discussion.)


ua lu
pa boi zo'e bu ze'ei=C2=A0
li'u
drani = =C2=A0.ei=C2=A0

Other selma'o that couldn't be extended by this method, bes= ides PA, would be ZO, LOhU, ZOI, ZEI, BY, BU, UI, tags, and maybe a few oth= ers. That's because free modifiers are not all that free.


ie
In order to apply {ze'ei} to those cmavo, keeping {zo'e bu ze= 9;ei pa} form seems better, permitting the difference between semantics and= syntax. Actually, {ze'ei} is used only for definitions of experimental= cmavo

I tried to use it for {p= anpi ze'ei coi} :)
although imo we shouldn't necessarily = stick to the usage.=C2=A0

, and it means that {X bu ze'ei} cluster is alw= ays put at the beginning of statement or fragment. Such {X bu ze'ei} cl= uster then can be naturally regarded as covering the whole line of definiti= on. I don't know if any selma'o other than MAI can bring a better s= olution.
=C2=A0

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