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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i8si235972wif.1.2015.04.03.23.54.14 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Apr 2015 23:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::230 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::230; Received: by mail-wi0-x230.google.com with SMTP id di4so124125512wid.0 for ; Fri, 03 Apr 2015 23:54:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.59.4 with SMTP id v4mr11813710wjq.54.1428130453930; Fri, 03 Apr 2015 23:54:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.240.197 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Apr 2015 23:53:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 09:53:53 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] On shutting down English in camxes To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7ba9738466467d0512e088b5 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 8410 --047d7ba9738466467d0512e088b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2015-04-03 23:54 GMT+03:00 Alex Burka : > Translating the operators seems pointless, but we can certainly translate > things like "elidible" and "clause". cmavo_mahoi_GEhU_poi_kahe_kunti is > impossibly long, though. How about GEhU_vickahe? > This is ungrammatical. > (Or have I been April fooled?) > no > mu'o mi'e durkavore > > On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 2:29 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > I had to change to English to discuss PEG because it's impossible to do > that in Lojban. > > I could have invented something on the fly but wouldn't have been > understood. > E.g. how do we say "elidible"? > Seems like it's {jai se curmi fai lo ka se kunti} although we can think of > it as of {ka'e kunti} > > Then the variable "GEhU_elidible" would become "mahoi_GEhU_poi_kahe_kunti" > or "cmavo_mahoi_GEhU_poi_kahe_kunti" ? > > Besides, many variables have names that are impossible to utter or > remember (like bridi_tail_t1). > > We need to extract all necessary elements from e.g. here: > https://github.com/Ilmen-vodhr/ilmentufa/blob/master/camxes-exp.js.peg > > , put them into a table, e.g. in the wiki and then start translating them. > > "/" and "(",")" operators should also be possible to say in Lojban. > > After that we can create a new PEG which would produce the same trees but > which will have purely Lojbanic names of nodes. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BPFK" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BPFK" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. 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2015-04-03 23:54 GMT+03:00 Alex Burka <aburka@seas.upenn.edu&g= t;:
Translating the operators seems pointless, but we can c= ertainly translate things like "elidible" and "clause".= cmavo_mahoi_GEhU_poi_kahe_kunti is impossibly long, though. How about GEhU= _vickahe?

This is ungrammatical.
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(Or have I been Apri= l fooled?)

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mu'o mi'e durkavore
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On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 2:29= AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:

I had to change to English to discuss PEG because it's impossible to d= o that in Lojban.

I could have invented something on the= fly but wouldn't have been understood.
E.g. how do we say &q= uot;elidible"?
Seems like it's {jai se curmi fai lo ka s= e kunti} although we can think of it as of {ka'e kunti}

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Then the variable "GEhU_elidible" would become "ma= hoi_GEhU_poi_kahe_kunti" or "cmavo_mahoi_GEhU_poi_kahe_kunti"= ;=C2=A0?

Besides, many variables have names t= hat are impossible to utter or remember (like bridi_tail_t1).

We need to extract all necessary elements from e.g. here:=

, put the= m into a table, e.g. in the wiki and then start translating them.

"/" and "(",")" operators sho= uld also be possible to say in Lojban.

After that = we can create a new PEG which would produce the same trees but which will h= ave purely Lojbanic names of nodes.


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