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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i8si22793wif.1.2015.04.09.16.56.55 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Apr 2015 16:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b; Received: by mail-wi0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id a2so7189384wia.0 for ; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 16:56:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.84.201 with SMTP id b9mr10019wiz.49.1428623815832; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 16:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.56.18 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Apr 2015 16:56:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <35617c5d-9a97-45d0-b1a0-9617e14bdec9@googlegroups.com> References: <35617c5d-9a97-45d0-b1a0-9617e14bdec9@googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 20:56:55 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] Re: FA as a TAG (Was: One cannot refer to inner nodes in Lojban PEG) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044287500f9a30051353671d X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 6266 --f46d044287500f9a30051353671d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:42 AM, guskant wrote: > > Le jeudi 9 avril 2015 09:15:04 UTC+9, xorxes a =C3=A9crit : >> >> >> > .i ca'e ko'e du lo ka ce'u citka lo cakla kei lo ka lo cakla cu se citka >> ce'u >> >> .i ca'e ko'a citka lo cakla >> >> .i xu ko'a brodrfa ko'e .i xu ko'a brodrfe ko'e .i xu ko'a brodrfi ko'e >> > > The last line should be formed with {citkrfV} and {selcitkrfV}, or more > precisely, {fe zei lo zei cakla zei citkrfV} and {fa zei lo zei cakla zei > selcitkrfV}. > ua! I didn't realize "brod" in "brodrfV" was a variable! I thought we were talking about just five predicates, "brodrfa", "brodrfe", ... "brodrfu". No wonder I was confused. .i xu ko'a citkrfa ko'e .i go'i > .i xu ko'a citkrfe ko'e .i na go'i > .i xu ko'a citkrfi ko'e .i na go'i > .i xu ko'a selcitkrfa ko'e .i na go'i > .i xu ko'a selcitkrfe ko'e .i go'i > .i xu ko'a selcitkrfi ko'e .i na go'i > So "citkrfa" means something like "x1 is the eater in x2", "citkrfe" means "x1 is what gets eaten in x2", and so on. Then I think "du'u" does make sense: citkrfa: x1 is that which proposition x2 claims eats. citkrfe: x1 is that which proposition x2 claims is eaten. Events could also make sense: citkrfa: x1 is what eats when x2 happens. citkrfe: x1 is what is eaten when x2 happens. Or a property: citkrfa: x1 eats when it has property x2 citkrfe: x1 is eaten when it has property x2 mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. 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On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:42 AM, guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com> wrote:
Le jeudi 9 avril 2015= 09:15:04 UTC+9, xorxes a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
=C2=A0
.i ca'e ko'e du lo ka ce'u citka lo c= akla kei lo ka lo cakla cu se citka ce'u

.i ca= 'e ko'a citka lo cakla

.i xu ko'a brod= rfa ko'e .i xu ko'a brodrfe ko'e .i xu ko'a brodrfi ko'= e

The last l= ine should be formed with {citkrfV} and {selcitkrfV}, or more precisely, {f= e zei lo zei cakla zei citkrfV} and {fa zei lo zei cakla zei selcitkrfV}.

ua! I didn't realize "b= rod" in "brodrfV" was a variable! I thought we were talking = about just five predicates, "brodrfa", "brodrfe", ... &= quot;brodrfu". No wonder I was confused.

.i xu ko'a citkrfa ko'e .i go'i
.i xu ko'a citkrfe ko'e .i na go'i
.i xu ko&= #39;a citkrfi ko'e .i na go'i
.i xu ko'a selcitkrfa k= o'e .i na go'i
.i xu ko'a selcitkrfe ko'e .i go&#= 39;i
.i xu ko'a selcitkrfi ko'e .i na go'i

So "citkrfa" means something li= ke "x1 is the eater in x2", "citkrfe" means "x1 is= what gets eaten in x2", and so on. Then I think "du'u" = does make sense:

citkrfa: x1 is that which proposi= tion x2 claims eats.
citkrfe: x1 is that which proposition x2 cla= ims is eaten.

Events could also make sense:
<= div>
citkrfa: x1 is what eats when x2 happens.
citkrfe: x1 is what is eaten when x2 happens.

Or a property:

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