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[69.168.97.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x1si84121igb.2.2015.04.13.22.07.35 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Apr 2015 22:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=69.168.97.48; X-Authed-Username: cGhtYUBodWdoZXMubmV0 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Tsff2lnh c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:117 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=zx0GPhIIxR8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=JNFw9bs7AAAA:8 a=e9J7MTPGsLIA:10 a=J8H6iwKe8WEabq9oatwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.hughes.cmh.synacor.com: 45.37.90.97 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of bezitopo.org) Received: from [45.37.90.97] ([45.37.90.97:60982] helo=bezitopo.org) by smtp.hughes.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id 1B/3E-05740-690AC255; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 01:07:34 -0400 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5E47251 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 01:07:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [bpfk] Type-3 fu'ivla Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 01:07:30 -0400 Message-ID: <2784442.v0lozh8p0x@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-48-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=none (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 2052 I'd like to propose two rules about type-3 fu'ivla: 1. If two fu'ivla are made with the same foreign part, one with a CVC rafsi and one with a CCVC or CVCC rafsi of the same gismu, then they are alternative forms of the same word, just as "ci'onrai" and "citrai" are the same word and "xagmau" and "xauzma" are the same word. E.g. "fiprgado" and "finprgado" are the same word. 2. A type-3 fu'ivla consists of a gismu rafsi ending in a consonant, the appropriate interfix (-r-, -n-, or -l-, tried in that order until one gives a phonotactically valid word), and a foreign part beginning with a consonant. If a valid fu'ivla is not of this form, it's not a type-3 fu'ivla. E.g. "spargani" and "spatrfaiu" are valid names for plants, but "sparfaiu" is not. "spargani" is a type-4 fu'ivla based on the genus name "Sparganium", "spatrfaiu" is a type-3 fu'ivla based on the genus name "Phaius", but "sparfaiu", based on "Phaius", has "spa" as the rafsi, and it does not end in a consonant, hence it is a type-4 fu'ivla and the entire word is based on the foreign part, which it isn't. A word with an unassigned rafsi ending in a consonant, followed by the appropriate interfix and other wordstuff beginning with a consonant, is a type-3 fu'ivla, but cannot be defined. E.g. "xoxrbeba" is a type-3 fu'ivla, but cannot be defined until someone first defines "xox". If a fu'ivla is made with an unassigned rafsi, rule 1 cannot be applied to it. The "foreign" part can in fact be "borrowed" from Lojban, or can be imitative, hence the word "zi'evla". Pierre -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. 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