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Subject: Re: [bpfk] Month Names (WAS: official cmavo form)
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Le vendredi 6 mars 2015 06:03:45 UTC, guskant a =C3=A9crit :
>
>
> If we create=20
>
> {jednpa} for "the first day of a week",
> {jefnpa} for "the first week of a month",
> {detnpa} for "the first day of a month" etc.,
>
> then the similar relations will be derived:
>
> lo jednpa =3D lo se jefydeidetri be li pa
> lo jefnpa =3D lo se ma'irjefydetri be li pa
> lo detnpa =3D lo se ma'irdeidetri be li pa
>
> and so on.
>
> Similarly, if we create  {de'i'a} {de'i'e} {de'i'i} {de'i'o} {de'i'u} of=
=20
> BAI, they will be defined as follows:
> de'i'a li PA =3D fi'o na'arctodetri li PA (in the PA-th century)
> de'i'e li PA =3D fi'o na'ardetri li PA (in the year PA)
> de'i'i li PA =3D fi'o ma'irdetri li PA (in the PA-th month)
> de'i'o li PA =3D fi'o ma'irdeidetri li PA (in the PA-th day of the month)
> de'i'u li PA =3D fi'o jefydeidetri li PA (in the PA-th day of the week)
>
> (I replaced here the meaning of {de'i'o} and {de'i'u} with each other.)
>
> mu'o
>
>
>
So created I {jednPA} series as names for days of the week:
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednpa
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednre
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednci
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednvo
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednmu
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednxa
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednze
In the system Gregorian, {jedlno} can be substituted for {jednze}:
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jedlno

(I created also words from {jednbi} to {jednvai} for coherency, though it=
=20
seems not useful in the current Earth culture.)

We may create {detnPA} series as brivla for names of days of the month, but=
=20
I hesitate because of the largeness of number of days of a month. Even=20
without {detnPA}, we can use a tanru unit {se ma'irdeidetri be li PA be'o}=
=20
instead, though lengthy.=20

We could also apply {moi'o} for tanru unit of days of the month, though the=
=20
expression somehow lacks intuitiveness because of the default starting=20
point of counting: {PA moi'o be lo djedi bei lo pa masti be'o} means "x1 is=
=20
PAth day after a month", that is, "the PAth of the next month". {mo'i'o} is=
=20
designed not for an absolute axis, but for a relative axis in which {mi} is=
=20
at the point zero.

In any case, brivla or tanru units for names for [months/days of the=20
month/days of the week] might be actually used much less than BAI, {de'i}=
=20
and {ti'u}. So {masnPA} {jednPA} {detnPA} ... series would not be=20
indispensable.

Now, similarly to de'i'V series, I suggest also some more experimental=20
cmavo of BAI:

{ti'u'V} series for hour/minute/second point,
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/ti'u'a
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/ti'u'e
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/ti'u'i

and {te'i} as {de'i}+{ti'u} merged.
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/te'i

{te'i} is {fi'o temjudri}, which lujvo is also just created,=20
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/temjudri

and useful for time stamp, or Julian date in which date and time are=20
expressed together in one decimal number (no {pi'e} is applied). For=20
example:

su'o da nuntumdesku te'i li re no pa mu pi'e mu pi'e ci no pi'e re no pi'e=
=20
re vo noi sinxa lo mentu ku'o te te'i u'y ty cy xi ma'u so
(There was an earthquake at 2015-05-30 20:24 UTC+9.)

su'o da nuntumdesku te'i li pa ze ci vo pa vo so pi so ze mu te te'i la=20
juli'us
(There was an earthquake at 2457172.975 of Julian date.)

mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>Le vendredi 6 mars 2015 06:03:45 UTC, guskant a =
=C3=A9crit&nbsp;:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margi=
n-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div><br></div><div>If we create&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>{jednpa=
} for "the first day of a week",</div><div>{jefnpa} for "the first week of =
a month",</div><div>{detnpa} for "the first day of a month" etc.,</div><div=
><br></div><div>then the similar relations will be derived:</div><div><br><=
/div><div>lo jednpa =3D lo se jefydeidetri be li pa</div><div>lo jefnpa =3D=
 lo se ma'irjefydetri be li pa</div><div>lo detnpa =3D lo se ma'irdeidetri =
be li pa</div><div><br></div><div>and so on.</div><div><br></div><div>Simil=
arly, if we create &nbsp;{de'i'a} {de'i'e} {de'i'i} {de'i'o} {de'i'u} of BA=
I, they will be defined as follows:</div><div>de'i'a li PA =3D fi'o na'arct=
odetri li PA (in the PA-th century)</div><div>de'i'e li PA =3D fi'o na'arde=
tri li PA (in the year PA)</div><div>de'i'i li PA =3D fi'o ma'irdetri li PA=
 (in the PA-th month)</div><div>de'i'o li PA =3D fi'o ma'irdeidetri li PA (=
in the PA-th day of the month)</div><div>de'i'u li PA =3D fi'o jefydeidetri=
 li PA (in the PA-th day of the week)</div><div><br></div><div>(I replaced =
here the meaning of {de'i'o} and {de'i'u} with each other.)</div><div><br><=
/div><div>mu'o</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><=
br></div><div>So created I {jednPA} series as names for days of the week:</=
div><div>http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednpa<br></div><div>http://jbovl=
aste.lojban.org/dict/jednre<br></div><div>http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/=
jednci</div><div>http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednvo<br></div><div>http=
://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednmu<br></div><div>http://jbovlaste.lojban.o=
rg/dict/jednxa<br></div><div>http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednze<br></d=
iv><div>In the system Gregorian, {jedlno} can be substituted for {jednze}:<=
br></div><div>http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jedlno<br></div><div><br></d=
iv><div>(I created also words from {jednbi} to {jednvai} for coherency, tho=
ugh it seems not useful in the current Earth culture.)</div><div><br></div>=
<div>We may create {detnPA} series as brivla for names of days of the month=
, but I hesitate because of the largeness of number of days of a month. Eve=
n without {detnPA}, we can use a tanru unit {se ma'irdeidetri be li PA be'o=
} instead, though lengthy.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>We could also app=
ly {moi'o} for tanru unit of days of the month, though the expression someh=
ow lacks intuitiveness because of the default starting point of counting: {=
PA moi'o be lo djedi bei lo pa masti be'o} means "x1 is PAth day after a mo=
nth", that is, "the PAth of the next month". {mo'i'o} is designed not for a=
n absolute axis, but for a relative axis in which {mi} is at the point zero=
.</div><div><br></div><div>In any case, brivla or tanru units for names for=
 [months/days of the month/days of the week] might be actually used much le=
ss than BAI, {de'i} and {ti'u}. So {masnPA} {jednPA} {detnPA} ... series wo=
uld not be indispensable.</div><div><br></div><div>Now, similarly to de'i'V=
 series, I suggest also some more experimental cmavo of BAI:</div><div><br>=
</div><div>{ti'u'V} series for hour/minute/second point,</div><div>http://j=
bovlaste.lojban.org/dict/ti'u'a<br></div><div>http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/d=
ict/ti'u'e<br></div><div>http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/ti'u'i<br></div><=
div><br></div><div>and {te'i} as {de'i}+{ti'u} merged.</div><div>http://jbo=
vlaste.lojban.org/dict/te'i<br></div><div><br></div><div>{te'i} is {fi'o te=
mjudri}, which lujvo is also just created,&nbsp;</div><div>http://jbovlaste=
.lojban.org/dict/temjudri<br></div><div><br></div><div>and useful for time =
stamp, or Julian date in which date and time are expressed together in one =
decimal number (no {pi'e} is applied). For example:</div><div><br></div><di=
v>su'o da nuntumdesku te'i li re no pa mu pi'e mu pi'e ci no pi'e re no pi'=
e re vo noi sinxa lo mentu ku'o te te'i u'y ty cy xi ma'u so</div><div>(The=
re was an earthquake at 2015-05-30 20:24 UTC+9.)</div><div><br></div><div>s=
u'o da nuntumdesku te'i li pa ze ci vo pa vo so pi so ze mu te te'i la juli=
'us</div><div>(There was an earthquake at 2457172.975 of Julian date.)<br><=
/div><div><br></div><div>mu'o</div></div>

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