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On 13/05/2015 09:43, guskant wrote:
> 1-2.{to'eki'u} in affirmative sentence.
> {mi radycru lo nu sipna kei to'eki'u lo nu do cladu}
> I give up sleeping prevented by your loud noise.
> It may signify "Your loud noise prevents me from giving up sleeping, 
> still 'I give up sleeping' is true."
> Unusual.
pe'i smuni dunli ja jibni lu lo nu mi radycru lo nu sipna cu se to'e 
krinu lo nu do cladu li'u

> 2.Lojban sentences for "I don't sleep because of your loud noise."
>
> 2-1-1.{ki'u} in the scope of {naku}.
> {naku mi sipna ki'u lo nu do cladu}
> "I sleep because of your loud noise" is false.
> It may signify:
> -1. "The reason for my sleeping is not your loud noise," [1] or,
> -2. "I don't sleep; if I were sleeping, the reason for my sleeping 
> would be your loud noise."
> Both interpretations are unusual.
pe'i smuni dunli ja jibni lu jitfa fa lo du'u mi sipna ki'u lo nu do 
cladu li'u .i pe'i naku natfe ge lo du'u da'i ja'a sipna ki'u lo drata 
be lo nu cladu gi lo du'u na sipna

mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13/05/2015 09:43, guskant wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote
      cite="mid:49b0aba3-35fe-4edc-baed-9fe82afda84c@googlegroups.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">1-2.<span class="Apple-tab-span"
          style="white-space:pre"> </span>{to'eki'u} in affirmative
        sentence.
        <div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>{mi
          radycru lo nu sipna kei to'eki'u lo nu do cladu}</div>
        <div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I
          give up sleeping prevented by your loud noise.</div>
        <div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>It
          may signify "Your loud noise prevents me from giving up
          sleeping, still 'I give up sleeping' is true."</div>
        <div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Unusual.</div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    pe'i smuni dunli ja jibni lu lo nu mi radycru lo nu sipna cu se to'e
    krinu lo nu do cladu li'u<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:49b0aba3-35fe-4edc-baed-9fe82afda84c@googlegroups.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div>2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Lojban
          sentences for "I don't sleep because of your loud noise."</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>2-1-1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">
          </span>{ki'u} in the scope of {naku}.</div>
        <div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>{naku
          mi sipna ki'u lo nu do cladu}</div>
        <div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>"I
          sleep because of your loud noise" is false.</div>
        <div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>It
          may signify:</div>
        <div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-1.
          "The reason for my sleeping is not your loud noise," [1] or,</div>
        <div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-2.
          "I don't sleep; if I were sleeping, the reason for my sleeping
          would be your loud noise."</div>
        <div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Both
          interpretations are unusual.</div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    pe'i smuni dunli ja jibni lu jitfa fa lo du'u mi sipna ki'u lo nu do
    cladu li'u .i pe'i naku natfe ge lo du'u da'i ja'a sipna ki'u lo
    drata be lo nu cladu gi lo du'u na sipna<br>
    <br>
    mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o<br>
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