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Namely, that mixed lerfu/number strings should be banned.

xorxe's vision quoted at the end of this message.

2015-05-31 20:51 GMT+03:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:

>
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) <
> spheniscine@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've not heard of that proposal. Wouldn't that just break all uses of {x=
y
>> pa} when talking about the definitions of words?
>>
>
> Those are "xy xi pa".
>
> The contexts where we don't want digits and lerfu to mix (e.g. ".abu za'u
> re'u cusku", "by re mei", "lo re bolci zo'u pa by xunre .i je pa by blanu=
",
> "xy xi pa dunda xy xi re xy xi ci" etc. are much much more common than th=
e
> need for mixed strings, and having to use "boi" for those is a pain.
>

So they are to be currently:
abu boi za'u re'u cusku
i by boi re mei
i lo re bolci zo'u pa boi by xunre
.i je pa boi by blanu
i xy xi pa dunda xy xi re boi xy xi ci

I can agree that it can be a pain so this proposal may sound reasonable.

>
> Besides, {me'o} still works, paralleling the use of strings for entry of
>> ISO dates in programming languages. I just prefer {li} because
>>
>>    - It's shorter
>>    - Dates and periods technically *are* numbers in a certain sense;
>>    arithmetic can be performed on them, despite the fact that in some wa=
ys
>>    they don't act like real-numbers, due to the varying length of months=
 and
>>    years.
>>
>> "me'o" and "li" are in the same selma'o, so the issue is the same for
> both.
>

I can't agree with changing anything within {li}, however. {li} is for
mekso which is a special subset of Lojban with its own grammar.

{by} as a anaphorical marker and {by} within {li} are two different
entities.
Terminating {li} with {boi} or {lo'o} isn't that hard IMO.

But how would "(n+1.3)^(3.15*r^2)" be expressed under this new xorxe's
proposal then?

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Namely, that mixed lerfu/number strings should be banned.<=
div><br></div><div>xorxe&#39;s vision quoted at the end of this message.<br=
><div><br></div><div>2015-05-31 20:51 GMT+03:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas=C2=A0<s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br></div><div><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:s=
olid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D"">On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 2:09 PM=
, Spheniscine (la zipcpi)=C2=A0<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sphe=
niscine@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">spheniscine@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>=
=C2=A0wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-le=
ft-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ve not heard of tha=
t proposal. Wouldn&#39;t that just break all uses of {xy pa} when talking a=
bout the definitions of words?=C2=A0</div></blockquote><div><br></div></spa=
n><div>Those are &quot;xy xi pa&quot;.</div><div><br></div><div>The context=
s where we don&#39;t want digits and lerfu to mix (e.g. &quot;.abu za&#39;u=
 re&#39;u cusku&quot;, &quot;by re mei&quot;, &quot;lo re bolci zo&#39;u pa=
 by xunre .i je pa by blanu&quot;, &quot;xy xi pa dunda xy xi re xy xi ci&q=
uot; etc. are much much more common than the need for mixed strings, and ha=
ving to use &quot;boi&quot; for those is a pain.</div></div></div></div></b=
lockquote><div><br></div><div>So they are to be currently:</div><div>abu bo=
i za&#39;u re&#39;u cusku=C2=A0</div><div>i by boi re mei=C2=A0</div><div>i=
 lo re bolci zo&#39;u pa boi by xunre=C2=A0</div><div>.i je pa boi by blanu=
=C2=A0</div><div>i xy xi pa dunda xy xi re boi xy xi ci=C2=A0<br><br></div>=
<div>I can agree that it can be a pain so this proposal may sound reasonabl=
e.</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style=
:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D""><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-=
left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div>Besides, {me&#39;o} still works, paralleling the use of st=
rings for entry of ISO dates in programming languages. I just prefer {li} b=
ecause</div><div><ul><li>It&#39;s shorter</li><li>Dates and periods technic=
ally *are* numbers in a certain sense; arithmetic can be performed on them,=
 despite the fact that in some ways they don&#39;t act like real-numbers, d=
ue to the varying length of months and years.</li></ul></div></div></blockq=
uote></span><div>&quot;me&#39;o&quot; and &quot;li&quot; are in the same se=
lma&#39;o, so the issue is the same for both.</div></div></div></div></bloc=
kquote><div><br></div><div>I can&#39;t agree with changing anything within =
{li}, however. {li} is for mekso which is a special subset of Lojban with i=
ts own grammar.</div><div><br></div><div>{by} as a anaphorical marker and {=
by} within {li} are two different entities.</div><div>Terminating {li} with=
 {boi} or {lo&#39;o} isn&#39;t that hard IMO.</div><div><br></div><div>But =
how would &quot;(n+1.3)^(3.15*r^2)&quot; be expressed under this new xorxe&=
#39;s proposal then?</div></div></div></div></div>

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